The shame of football

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I hope Spain doesn't make it to the next world cup so that their FA would resign. This is a pathetic situation and a sorry response, why the hell can't the spanish government intefere in this incident? Maybe they are indifferent to that, or maybe it's just a reflection of their society in general.

I used to like their NT and rooted for them, since like us, they always underachieve. As long as this FA is there, and as long as their fans act like shameless animals, I hope they don't win a single game.
 

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But to fine Aragones for such a thing is shameful. It was just a bad joke that probably just slipped off his tongue. Everyone made this accidental mistake everyday! It's just like saying that you don't like your parents because they control you too much in a friends discussion, forgetting for one-split second that someone among you guys have just lost them.

Stupid decision by the Spanish FA. Players and figures have come to defended Aragones so what more can Aragones do to prove that he's not racist?


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If referring to a black guy as "that black shit" isn't a racist comment, then what is???

I am not saying that Aragones is raicst, and I don't think he is. Even Eto'o came out and said Aragones is a great person. However, he made a racist comment, and he should apologize for that. Not apologzining for a mistake you made is wrong. And then he tried to deflect the attention by accusing the british of being colonial and running after black people.

When fans see that such comments go unpunished, then they will think it's okay. To prove that, racist chants have increased since that incidents. Spain is telling it's people to make racist comments by not doing anything.
 

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Right guys, bad news.

I was in Sheffield today and I looked in not less than 6 big sports shops, including All Sports, JJS Sports and Footlocker, and I got the same reply: the nike wristbands are out of stock.

Not only that: they went crazy about all these people asking about them! So crazy that in some shops there were scraps of paper hanging near the tills saying "We have no more wristbands". :eek:

Sorry guys, I tried! :(
 

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u guys rmember when carrol got hit in the head? i saw the replay. man what a shot!

that guy has an arm or what? lolll
 

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Time to unleash Frisko's "Live free, smoke and die free" wrist bands. Nobody will tell the difference, you could make enough money and quit your job. :D
 

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Hamed, as I said, although it was a racist remark, it was an accident and a bad joke. Please don't tell me you have never met anyone who tried to be funny but he's actually a bad joker! If Aragones is racist, how would Eto'o, one of the protaganist in the anti-racism campaign in Spain, come out and defend him? Sometimes you don't know what you were saying. Sometimes you speak before you think. I believe it was one of those moment for Aragones. While it is true that Aragones should have just apologised and kill off this things, him not apoligising doesn't mean that he's a racist. Perhaps a jerk or an attention-seeker but no way a racist.

From my own point of view, Luis Aragones is just being used as a black sheep by the Spanish FA. He's in a position that Hector Cuper was when Ronaldo left Inter. The Spanish FA has been crictisized for not being able to deal with the racists in Spain and I believe they are using Aragones as a media tool to communicate with the world that they don't tolerate racism. What a petty attempt it was though! I bet the fine is not even worth a week's wage of Aragones. Fortunately it seems to backfire on them since Aragones is furious and the football fans around the world are too because of the amount of fine!

Frisko, you just said that because of my siggie. :( I know I shouldn't have used this. :stress: Now I've lost a friend. :cry:


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Handoyo said:
Hamed, as I said, although it was a racist remark, it was an accident and a bad joke. Please don't tell me you have never met anyone who tried to be funny but he's actually a bad joker! If Aragones is racist, how would Eto'o, one of the protaganist in the anti-racism campaign in Spain, come out and defend him? Sometimes you don't know what you were saying. Sometimes you speak before you think. I believe it was one of those moment for Aragones. While it is true that Aragones should have just apologised and kill off this things, him not apoligising doesn't mean that he's a racist. Perhaps a jerk or an attention-seeker but no way a racist.
You might be wrong there. The very fact that he blurted out what he said is quite the indication that he has once, or still has, harbored that train of thought. Sure, he might not be very racist in an extreme sense, but to think of someone in that manner and actually saying it tells a lot. He could have referred to Henry as a million other things, but he purposely chose the one remark that he felt would bring about maximum meaning in his point he made, with regards to Reyes.

You live in contemporary society that is well aware that there are such things that are taboo. Aragones knew exactly what he shouldn't have said, and he still used it. Even when i am angry, i would never use a derogatory statement because i know exactly what overtones it had - whether a racist or a bigoted one. To do so would either smack of complete stupidity, which in any case, means Aragones is not mentally fit to be in his position, or that he was somewhat racist and purportedly said what he did.

Of course, it could simply be that Aragones was not thinking right when he said what he did. It could very well be that he isn't a racist at all. However, the situation is clearly leaning toward the latter reason to me. You can't be sure either, can you?

Oh and, if you think he was trying to make a joke, then i can simply tell you that the man has no sense of tact, situational understanding and social graces. Simply put, the man doesn't deserve to be where he is if he cannot comprehend that some jokes cannot be said in public at all.

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Sometimes I feel that my parents are over-protective of me and when they unreasonably denied my of owning a handphone despite my age, I wished that I was born with another family. Does this mean that I actually would grab the chance if offered a family switch? Never! The thought had crossed my mind but it doesn't mean that I hate my family. I could have wished something else of course, like me being more responsible, not the spoiled kid that I am and thus my parents would grant me the authority of owning a handphone.

Another example Tim, sometimes I referred Indians in Singapore and call them "kelings", which you know is a racist remark, when I chatted with my friends. But I am definitely not a racist nor do I hate them. I was just joking around with my friends. Certain things you said to your friends are illogical and may be inappropriate in public. I believe that is the case with Aragones. He was just unlucky that the comments were caught on a tape and Reyes wasn't particularly happy either.

Or maybe, quite simply, the times when I just think God is a Milanista everytime Milan win a Derby. I'm sure that thoughts have crossed our minds a lot as of late! But do I really thing that he's a Milanista? Does God even follow football? It's just one of those moment when one blurted out some words without thinking.

I just think that it was a moment of madness by Aragones. I believe deep inside he regret the remark and he realised that it was inappropriate and wrong to say such a joke. He has learnt the lesson and I doubt that he will repeat the mistake. He's an adult, a fully-grown man who surely has learnt enough of never repeating a mistakes. Why do they need to fine him?


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But here lies the situation. It was a racist remark that Aragones made, whether intentional or not. If the Spanish FA didn't do anything by way of punishment, then it can be seen as a concession to his words, which we all know is unacceptable. If Aragones wasn't fined for his statement, then a precedence will be set and people in public could and would get away with racist comments similair to his by using the same defence - that it was merely a joke to begin with.

Thus, Aragones may or may not be guilty, but that wasn't really the point when it came to fining the man for what he said.

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Yeah, you have a good point there...:thumbsup: Come to think about it, it wasn't much of the Spanish FA fault in this situation but the idiotic Spanish racists. :thumbsdo::yuck:


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Why didn't he then just apologize to Henry and admit he made a mistake? He tried to deflect the attention by recalling britain's colonial past and how they used to run after africans. He didn't have to go to that? Sometimes an apology is the best solution but egoism gets in the way.

Besides, the FA had the duty to punish him. Spain obiously has some racial problems and it seems that a chunk of their society is racist. How can you correct that if you don't punish a person that made a racist comment?
 

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Yes Hamed, after the debate we had here I have to agree with you and Tim that fining Aragones was a good decision by the Spanish FA. Although the amount is ridiculous and that they should have fined the clubs too, every racism act should be treated with zero-tolerance.

I still don't think that Aragones is a racist but it doesn't matter, Spain has to show that every racism act should be punished. :)


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Handoyo said:
I still don't think that Aragones is a racist but it doesn't matter, Spain has to show that every racism act should be punished. :)

Me neither, I think he just made a mistake. And there is a great lesson to be learned from that, when you make a mistake, admit it and apologize. Don't go and accuse thoe who accuse you and try and deflect attention.
 

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Wanchope scraps with Malaga racists


MADRID, March 13 (Reuters) - Malaga striker Paulo Wanchope says he was involved in a scuffle with the club's fans after they racially abused him while he was warming down after a league match on Saturday.
The Costa Rica international said he was attacked when he went to confront the fans who had used a megaphone to shout abuse at him following his side's 2-1 defeat at home to Real Betis.


'It all started because one of the fans started to shout insults at me through the megaphone,' Wanchope said on his website.

'I ran out of patience and went to the stands to confront him saying that if he was such a man he should say it to my face...

'He then kicked me and I defended myself by hitting him back. Then another fan came along and hit me from behind and I responded to that too.

'The police and my team mates eventually calmed everything down, but then a small group from the same band started to make monkey noises and shout out that I was a black shit, insults that really hurt me because they were racist.'

The 28-year-old former Manchester City player, who joined Malaga at the start of the season, said that he may have over-reacted, but that the fans had been responsible for the incident.

'I've thought about it and I think I went to far and could have controlled myself, but it was difficult to put up with those sort of insults.'

Malaga are in 12th place in the Primera Liga, 10 points clear of the relegation zone.
 

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:rolleyes: Lazio belong to Spain, they are a shameful club.

Lazio fascism row Monday 11 April, 2005

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Lazio President Claudio Lotito has refused to take responsibility for the fascist banners displayed by fans during the 3-1 win over Livorno.

The Biancocelesti had considered it to be a high-risk game as it set their right-wing fans against the left-wing fans of Livorno. Steps were taken to calm the fans prior to the game, however, the ‘Ultras’ of Lazio were heard chanting right-wing slogans throughout the match and held up a banner saying “Fascist Rome.”

Lotito told an Italian television station: “Sport must not take up political positions. As a club we bear no responsibility. With the minute’s silence in memory of the Pope the club demonstrated it does not have a political position, but rather has tried to instil morals and the rediscovery of authentic and spiritual values.”

Lazio supporters have developed a bad image for the club in recent times. The club were banned from playing at the Stadio Olimpico for one European game after the ‘Ultras’ racially abused Partizan Belgrade players during a UEFA Cup game last season.

However, the players’ behaviour hasn’t always set the best example for the supporters. In his time with the club, controversial defender Sinisa Mihaijlovic received a two-match ban for racially abusing Arsenal’s Patrick Vieira during a Champions’ League game in 2000. And earlier this season Paolo Di Canio was in the headlines for making a fascist salute at Lazio fans at the end of the Rome derby
 
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