UEFA Europa League 2009/2010

You seriously have huge issues replying to each and everyone of my posts, when I constantly ignore yours. I really dont know how to spell it out for you.

I honestly think you are an idiot, and I skip over your posts, they are absolutely worthless. I think you are a moron who has no ability to think. I have absolutely no intention of having a discussion with you about anything at all, since it would be an insult for me just to reply to them. The only reason I dont have you on ignore list, is sometimes, I like to go over your posts, just to amuse myslef on how big morons can people be. I dont even condier you an Inter fan, I just consider you a retard who likes to posts shit on a forum.

I dont get it. You reply to atleast 10 of my posts each day, and usually I dont give you a reply back. Dont you feel that someone is totally ignoring you, and maybe you should stop communicating with him/her? Have some self-respect FFS, or are you too much of an idiot to realize that.

And no, you dont have a cry a river about this. This is how I personally feel. Now if you can please somehow manage to feel the same, and we can start ignoring each other's posts, that will be really sweet.

Now there you go, you succeeded in me throwing you a bone today. Guess I just totally made you day.

CafeCordoba said:

shahz_nerazzurri, try to understand, Italians will have four spots for next years' CL season.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2009.html

This is the country ranking which will be used in next year's club allocation. Not UEFA Country ranking 2010, but 2009.

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Dude I have been following these coefficients for 6-7 years and have a pretty deep understanding of them. That is wrongly worded, I am telling you.

shahz_nerazzurri said:

Italy doesnt deserve 4 spots next year, and I really hope the Germans miraculously manage to take it away from them. In all fairness they should have had it 2 years ago, their league is by far superior and deseves more team in teh CL.

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Yeah, they really deserve the 4th spot....

The flag of the German league, 4th best earner club of the world, needs lots of big ref-favours to knock out the Italian 10th place team...

Germans are total shit in CL, as your words are. they deserves only much more Eurpa League place, which dont care anybody, just Germans and Eastarn-Europe-sides.

Last 5 years German teams in CL (2004-2009):

-no winner
-no final
-no semi-final
-4 quarter-final
-7 Round of 16 game

5 years, 15 teams to started the CL-campaign, so less than half (!!!) of them survived the group stage.... some of them didnt reach even the group stage and fall out already in the qualification....(German 3rd placed team)

Last 5 years Italian teams in CL:

-1 title
-2 final
-3 semi-final
-9 quarter-final
-15 Round of 16 game

5 years, 20 teams started the campaign, 75 % of them survived the group stage....

You can see the differences.

Do you continue stating they deserve more the 4th CL-spot????

I hope that I'm not repeating someone but - don't you think that the loss of that 4th spot for CL might have a positive effect on the italian teams? I mean, there will be just 3 available spots which means that only 3 teams amongst Inter, Milan, Juventus, Roma and even Fiorentina would get the chance to play in CL. It would be harder because every team would give their best to qualify and that could make the Serie A more interesting and improve its level at all.

But that means a lots of money losing, which is a big problem in Serie A, just look Roma financial status...

Italian 4th will get fragment of the CL-money in EL.

UEFA should separate the point-collecting in CL and EL, because the 2 has nothing common....

It's nonsense, Germans will get a big surprise, where they are really crap..

shahz_nerazzurri said:

Dude I have been following these coefficients for 6-7 years and have a pretty deep understanding of them. That is wrongly worded, I am telling you.

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I still don't believe you.

I mean, let's think about if it would be like you suggest. That the current year's country ranking would affect directly to next year's club amounts per country per competition. That's just bizarre. Clubs can't even target that fourth CL spot in the table because they can't know if they will even get the CL spot even if they finish 4th but country's clubs in current euro competitions fail to collect enough points. It just doesn't make any sense.

It can't go that clubs just play and in the end it's checked if club can even get that CL qualification spot or not (in case of Italy for example). They might have put lot of resources to league to achieve that spot (and money from CL) and put other competitions to lesser priority. It could make dubious situations.

Let's say two rival clubs, Roma and Lazio. Lazio is in EL, in the last stages. Roma is targetting the 4th spot to achieve CL for next season. Italy has almost losing it's position in Country Ranking. Lazio decides to ignore the EL and play reserves there, partly to bitch towards Roma. Lazio ends up losing and it depended on them if Italy could lose the third spot or not in Country Ranking. So Italy now loses the spot and Roma despite finishing 4th in the league, can't get to CL because Italy lost a spot in Country Ranking, because of Lazio messing up there in the same year.

No, it just can't go like that. That is why Country Ranking drags one year behind. All those euro competition spots are known in the leagues already at the start of the season.

Makes sense, hard to find oficial thing on this. so bascially its almost 99% confirmed that Italy will have 3 spots in 2011-2012 CL, since next years games wont count towars the ranking.

rsz85, its only Italy's fault that the clubs dont take Uefa cup serioulsy, which I only find like a lame excuse. The clubs are just not good enough to perform in it. WE have to admit that German teams like Hamburg and Leverkusen are way better than Genoa and Sampdoria.
Also you forgot that Bayern defeated the so called 3rd best Italian team, ripped them a new hole in their own arena.

Its a dumb excuse that Eruopa league points shouldnt equal CL's. The system in place is great. You get more bonus points in CL.

German clubs apart from Bayern dont have money, getting a 4th CL spot will increase their revenue. I am pretty sure we will enjoy games like Wolfsburg against ManU more, than having an Italian side play against them.

Apart from Inter, Italy doenst have the class of teams to match the likes of Lyon or Bordueax. I really fail to see how any idiot would think that Italy deserves a 4th CL spot.

If Uefa were more fair, and wanted to make CL better, they should just give out an extra place to the 5th place English team. Sadly the 5th placed English teams Tottenham or ManCity dont have as much hype around the world as Milan or Jube, and this will hurt Uefa's resources, so its never gonna happen.

rsz85 said:

Yeah, they really deserve the 4th spot....

The flag of the German league, 4th best earner club of the world, needs lots of big ref-favours to knock out the Italian 10th place team...

Germans are total shit in CL, as your words are. they deserves only much more Eurpa League place, which dont care anybody, just Germans and Eastarn-Europe-sides.

Last 5 years German teams in CL (2004-2009):

-no winner
-no final
-no semi-final
-4 quarter-final
-7 Round of 16 game

5 years, 15 teams to started the CL-campaign, so less than half (!!!) of them survived the group stage.... some of them didnt reach even the group stage and fall out already in the qualification....(German 3rd placed team)

Last 5 years Italian teams in CL:

-1 title
-2 final
-3 semi-final
-9 quarter-final
-15 Round of 16 game

5 years, 20 teams started the campaign, 75 % of them survived the group stage....

You can see the differences.

Do you continue stating they deserve more the 4th CL-spot????

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:thumbsup:

Awful performance by the Panathinaikos defense and terrible goalkeeping(main goalkeeper was sick tonight) that led to 3 goals for Standard with only 2 chances made.
Theirdefending was compact and also Ninis & Leto didn't look good. Karagounis came in on the 2nd half and the game wasabout to change but a small fight between the players stopped our offensive tempo. Inexcusable result and PAO lacked the expected nerve and went down to 10 men after an injury. Should have been at least a draw and that might even be too much for the Belgians.

Now PAO needs a 3-0 win at least in order to get through which is not impossible, but it's 3 days before the big derby against Olympiakos which might demotivate the team from playing at 110% capacity.

PAO absences:
Tzorvas(goalkeeper)
Spyropoulos(left back)
Katsouranis(box to box midfielder)
Seitaridis(right back)->long term
Karagounis not ready to play full game

If the 2nd game was in 2 weeks time, then i'd bet on PAO to get through, but under the circumstances I see atleast a draw in favour for Standard

shahz_nerazzurri said:

Makes sense, hard to find oficial thing on this. so bascially its almost 99% confirmed that Italy will have 3 spots in 2011-2012 CL, since next years games wont count towars the ranking.

rsz85, its only Italy's fault that the clubs dont take Uefa cup serioulsy, which I only find like a lame excuse. The clubs are just not good enough to perform in it. WE have to admit that German teams like Hamburg and Leverkusen are way better than Genoa and Sampdoria.
Also you forgot that Bayern defeated the so called 3rd best Italian team, ripped them a new hole in their own arena.

Its a dumb excuse that Eruopa league points shouldnt equal CL's. The system in place is great. You get more bonus points in CL.

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I agree that the point system is okay. Euro competitions != only CL. UEFA Coefficiency points determine the broader quality of the country's teams and not just the top ones, hence EL teams get the same points. Then if you do well in EL, and manage to get to CL, you have an advantage. Like Sevilla at this moment, which has gathered pretty good point total from EL in previous years and now have established themselves to CL and that way are 1st pot team.

So even if there is no money in EL (compared to CL) there is some prize for the team which puts effort to EL success.

Agree. Italy really doesn't deserve the 4th spot. And losing that is probably the only way that the league and clubs will wake up to improve their standards.

OK, Serie A may not deserve the 4th CL-spot (according to last 3 years results) but the Germans even less.

Justice would be: Italy loosing EL-spots (2 out of 3), and Germans get it, not CL-spots.

Ridiculous.

It's not about deserving or not deserving. How that's even measured? Only what matters is results on the pitch. And they show Germans are going to overtake Italy in the Country Ranking. That's all what matters.

Like rockball said, it's perhaps good for calcio that they lose that spot. Maybe it awakes the people that hey, we are not in the year 2000 anymore. Actually the decline of Italy's position in that ranking has started to fall since that year. At 1999 Italy was first, in 2000 Spain overtook them. In 2004 England overtook Italy and pushed them to third, Italy were back at second spot in 2005, but in 2006 England pushed Italy back to third. Since then it's been more or less downhill, as England-Spain tandem has teared the difference to another level.

Something must be done in Italy, and maybe this is the initial spark.

Let's follow how German and Italian teams gather points in EL (and CL also but I keep this here since there are more teams in EL to follow)

HSV +2
Wolfsburg +1
Werder +1
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TOTAL: +4

Juventus +2
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TOTAL: +2

So Germans got +2p yesterday, meaning they have to get +9p from this moment compared to Italians.

In 2003 there were 3 Italians in the semi-final of CL...

Germans have good chances in EL, but i trust Valencia and Rubin also to beat them in 2nd legs. and also Juve for beating Fulham away and get another 3 point (2+1).

Yesterday Fulham showed an awful performance, they are on the level of Livorno or Atalanta i think

rsz85 said:

Yeah, they really deserve the 4th spot....

The flag of the German league, 4th best earner club of the world, needs lots of big ref-favours to knock out the Italian 10th place team...

Germans are total shit in CL, as your words are. they deserves only much more Eurpa League place, which dont care anybody, just Germans and Eastarn-Europe-sides.

Last 5 years German teams in CL (2004-2009):

-no winner
-no final
-no semi-final
-4 quarter-final
-7 Round of 16 game

5 years, 15 teams to started the CL-campaign, so less than half (!!!) of them survived the group stage.... some of them didnt reach even the group stage and fall out already in the qualification....(German 3rd placed team)

Last 5 years Italian teams in CL:

-1 title
-2 final
-3 semi-final
-9 quarter-final
-15 Round of 16 game

5 years, 20 teams started the campaign, 75 % of them survived the group stage....

You can see the differences.

Do you continue stating they deserve more the 4th CL-spot????

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Well said. The only reason they are catching up is because they're teams finish third in the group stages and drop into the Europa League and rack up the points in that competition.

Juve 2-1 down and down to 10 men also. Almost halftime.

Forza Fulham and our boy Roy! Okay, fall of from UEL would not be catastrophe for rubentus, the whole competition is just lame sop for teams who "should" be in CL's knock out stage. But juve and Zac wants to win the whole shit, so Fulham's 4-1 home victory would be great. ZERU TITULI!

We won versus Chelsea, so there is no need for them to beat fullham.

...

Their golden boy said before the game

Iaquinta: “We'll imitate Inter”

Oh, boy !

They need to advance and keep Zac as long as they can (next season at least).

Edt: Fuck i wrote this and there is 3-1, dzinksing works here also