Cesena - Inter (18 Dec 11)

[Wallace]

Lol we were terrible, not just in the attack, but also a total lack of organization in defense. There was no "tactical unity" anywhere to be seen at both ends, we were a mess in everywhere on the pitch.

I don't know what happened, but the Cessena players kept missing the ball and kicked the air with their finishing, we were lucky not to concede in many occasions.

Now, I'm hardly bitching, I'm simply stating these things I saw, and it doesn't mean I'm not happy about the win, I don't think I have to state the obvious, of course the win is nice and all, but it doesn't mean Ranieri did a good job in this game, there are simply too many factors to take into account in the game.

Cessena has every right to feel gutted losing this game.

 

[emcct]

You know you are a good team when the games are won based on 1 goal lead, and your defenders are the once that are scoring.. Having the strikers to score is just too easy. (Right Moratti & Ranieri?)

---------- Post added at 12:39 ---------- Previous post was at 12:22 ----------

I just read the last 4 pages, and I honestly don't understand the people who are saying that Pazzini is playing badly, and that Milito is better. I think that people REALLY need to read what I am about to say, not once, but at least 3 times.

1. Milito is the worst player in serie A. He is the only player that has managed to fuckup basically anything he has touched, and missed at least 2-3 empty goals from 1-2 meters away.

2. Not only does he not score, but he dosen't help Pazzini or the others at all, he is slow and often in offside.

Now, let's talk about Pazzini.

Anyone who says that Pazzini is bad, I would like you to tell me 1 player that can play:

1. 100% ALONE covered by 4 people at all time.

2. With NO ATTACKING SUPPORT WHAT SO EVER

3. And with a team that is struggling overall

.. Can't come up with a name? I thought so!

The reason why Pazzini is playing badly is NOT his fault. It's the teams fault. He is not a god. If he had the support that Messi has in Barcalona, or Ronaldo in Real, he would be scoring goals like crazy. You can't expect the guy to do Miracles all alone.

Oh, and by the way, Pazzini haters.. Let's pretend that EVERYTHING i just said is wrong, or that you just don't wanna bother reading it.. Either way, tell me this.

Who would you rather force and keep playing if say we bought a new super striker, or decided to use Forlan as a starter?

1. A 32 year old MILITO that is over in terms of Speed, Age and Quality, and let's not forget, has no future.. next season 33 (And if you mention look at Zanetti, you deserve to be slammed in teh face)

2. A 27 year old PAZZINI that has at least 3-4 years ahead of him

For those who pick number 1, I won't even bother to comment on your responses, because it's a lost cause.. Sorry..

 

[I4E]

You know you are a good team when the games are won based on 1 goal lead, and your defenders are the once that are scoring.. Having the strikers to score is just too easy. (Right Moratti & Ranieri?)

---------- Post added at 12:39 ---------- Previous post was at 12:22 ----------

I just read the last 4 pages, and I honestly don't understand the people who are saying that Pazzini is playing badly, and that Milito is better. I think that people REALLY need to read what I am about to say, not once, but at least 3 times.

1. Milito is the worst player in serie A. He is the only player that has managed to fuckup basically anything he has touched, and missed at least 2-3 empty goals from 1-2 meters away.

2. Not only does he not score, but he dosen't help Pazzini or the others at all, he is slow and often in offside.

Now, let's talk about Pazzini.

Anyone who says that Pazzini is bad, I would like you to tell me 1 player that can play:

1. 100% ALONE covered by 4 people at all time.

2. With NO ATTACKING SUPPORT WHAT SO EVER

3. And with a team that is struggling overall

.. Can't come up with a name? I thought so!

The reason why Pazzini is playing badly is NOT his fault. It's the teams fault. He is not a god. If he had the support that Messi has in Barcalona, or Ronaldo in Real, he would be scoring goals like crazy. You can't expect the guy to do Miracles all alone.

Oh, and by the way, Pazzini haters.. Let's pretend that EVERYTHING i just said is wrong, or that you just don't wanna bother reading it.. Either way, tell me this.

Who would you rather force and keep playing if say we bought a new super striker, or decided to use Forlan as a starter?

1. A 32 year old MILITO that is over in terms of Speed, Age and Quality, and let's not forget, has no future.. next season 33 (And if you mention look at Zanetti, you deserve to be slammed in teh face)

2. A 27 year old PAZZINI that has at least 3-4 years ahead of him

For those who pick number 1, I won't even bother to comment on your responses, because it's a lost cause.. Sorry..

Dude, correct me if i'm wrong but I think people in this game thread meant that Milito is better than Pazzini in the context of the Cesena game.

Pazzini was shit in the Cesena game (spraying shots like an amature and unable to control balls) and Milito played a better game than him.

A person would have to be on drugs to think Inter has a better future with Milito than Pazzini at the moment.

 

[Ed.]

The reason why Pazzini is playing badly is NOT his fault. It's the teams fault. He is not a god. If he had the support that Messi has in Barcalona, or Ronaldo in Real, he would be scoring goals like crazy. You can't expect the guy to do Miracles all alone.

Messi and Ronaldo create their goals unlike Pazzo who needs others to serve him. Let's be honest about that. Pazzo as a box striker needs a lot of service, but he also needs to help himself. How others are gonna serve him if he doesn't move at all? He is easily marked nowadays. If he creates his space, I'm sure the team will deliver him some good passes. That is his fault in the game.

The fact is now Milito performed better than Pazzo for at least the last 2 games. Milito helped the midfield, he came down to the half life, get the ball and move up. He moved wide to open spaces. This is what Pazzo does not do much in the match.

Try to compare Pazzo with Cavani. Pazzo should be scoring goals like Cavani. What Cavani does best? He just runs around looking for spaces so he can shoot the ball without any markings.

 

[Tanel]

I do not care that much if Pazzini shot is so weak that it looks like a pass, I do not care that much if Pazzini shoots a ball 15 yards wide of the goal, but I am fucking annoyed at the fact that his work-rate is inexistant. Once in a while he could drop his cigarette and run a bit.

Fact of the matter is... Milito gets himself into positions where he can miss a 100% scoring chance even with this shitty service we have at the moment, Pazzo can at best shoot from a position where he has 5% chance of scoring.

Pazzo is a luxury player who offers nothing but his shooting ability to the team. Stop talking about Milito's speed when Pazzini is as slow as Milito is now to begin with (not that Milito was ever fast). Pazzo has even worse control than Milito, he barely links up with anyone in the squad. In a top team, Pazzini should be a subtitute, esp for situations where we're bombarding forward.

Atm those excuses of him are similar to what we used to defend Ibra in big games where his lack of work rate came out brilliantly. They are valid excuses indeed, but they do not excuse for the most important part of the story.

If I were Ranieri and I had to choose who I'd prefer from the two, I'd work with Milito because there's still potentially much more in him than in Pazzini at his very best.

As for whining after the win yesterday, I think it is only normal to be annoyed that we have to be incredibly lucky to win a game. If you are happy with what you saw last night, then I guess you think this team is playing at its full potential? I am a person who always finds something to whine about in our games because there is always something to improve in.

What we do now, is somewhat lucky wins where we are always one goal conceeded away from falling apart. Expect for the games against Fio and Genoa where our defence looked to control the games although the attack was poor. Last afternoon it was mostly JC and Lucio playing immensly well.

Some of you seem to be comparing this to how it has been in past when we won things. Well, I do not mind at all, whether we play defensive or attacking, although I prefer a good balance between the two. I just want to feel that we are having control over the game - whether it is by pushing opponents deep into their box or playing like we did in 2010 final.

 

[Deva]

1. Milito is the worst player in serie A. He is the only player that has managed to fuckup basically anything he has touched, and missed at least 2-3 empty goals from 1-2 meters away.

It's totally true that he missed a lot of sitters he should have scored, there's no denying that. That's why many people here were complaining that Milito was in the starting XI back in the early days of the season. But to me, he's improved his performance in the last games whereas Pazzini really dropped performance.

If you're talking about Milito being the worst player in Serie A of all time, then go watch treble season. If you talk about the beginning of this season, then he's surely been one of the players who would have been better off on the bench.
PS: Hamsik just missed an empty goal from 1-2 meters in the Napoli vs Roma game :awwwyeah:

2. Not only does he not score, but he dosen't help Pazzini or the others at all, he is slow and often in offside.

He's scored more goals than Pazzini in Serie A with less games played.

Now, let's talk about Pazzini.

Anyone who says that Pazzini is bad, I would like you to tell me 1 player that can play:

First of all, I hope nobody really judges a player just because of some games recently played. I don't consider Pazzini to be a bad player, however he just played badly the last two games.

1. 100% ALONE covered by 4 people at all time.

Milito and Pazzini are on the same pitch with the same defenders playing against them. If Pazzini was always covered by 4 people and Milito wasn't, well, that would just imply how badly Pazzini was standing on the pitch.

2. With NO ATTACKING SUPPORT WHAT SO EVER

Again, same pitch, same team, same time, same attacking support. If the midfielders couldn't provide good attacking support then also Milito didn't have good attacking support. The difference in the Cesena game was mainly that Milito realized no suitable balls are provided and thus moved back to midfield to get the balls while Pazzini more or less rested (probably why he was covered by 4 guys?)

3. And with a team that is struggling overall

They're on the same team? Literately: Militos team is struggling just as much as Pazzinis team.

The reason why Pazzini is playing badly is NOT his fault. It's the teams fault. He is not a god. If he had the support that Messi has in Barcalona, or Ronaldo in Real, he would be scoring goals like crazy. You can't expect the guy to do Miracles all alone.

Oh, and by the way, Pazzini haters.. Let's pretend that EVERYTHING i just said is wrong, or that you just don't wanna bother reading it.. Either way, tell me this.

Who would you rather force and keep playing if say we bought a new super striker, or decided to use Forlan as a starter?

1. A 32 year old MILITO that is over in terms of Speed, Age and Quality, and let's not forget, has no future.. next season 33 (And if you mention look at Zanetti, you deserve to be slammed in teh face)

2. A 27 year old PAZZINI that has at least 3-4 years ahead of him

For those who pick number 1, I won't even bother to comment on your responses, because it's a lost cause.. Sorry..

I would never consider myself a Pazzini hater, but you're right that Pazzinis potential of being some sort of importance to Inter in the future is clearly higher than that of Militos.
I doubt all the comments beforehand were made because Pazzini is now being hated, absolutely not. They were merely comments that Milito did play in fact a better game than Pazzini against Cesena.

 

[Universe]

@universe hey look, there was nothing condescending in my tone and there should be none in yours, it's not like I said it was a great performance or that we're playing amazingly, all is I said that our performance wasn;t that bad. so, i'd suggest you try and read what others write before going off on rants for the sake of ranting.

there's no doubt that the squad isn't what it used to be in 2010, and there's no doubt that rano is slow 99% of the time, last night he wasnt, the defensive cover by cambi and lucio's awareness took care of that; the unit played well together. clean sheet. fact.

as to my personal preference for footballing style, I dont see how you have any say in that. there's no doubt that our midfield is aging and we need a tough box to box midfielder a la viera and toure to replace motta/deki but that doesnt mean that the team yesterday didnt play well as a team. I really think they did. they had a plan, albeit a defensive and riskless one, but they executed the plan well. I just want to give credit where I think it's due, sure the performance won't get us to beat milan/juve/udinese but it's the kind of performance you need to take 3 points off the bottom half teams, especially when you're a battered and bruised team trying to find it's way after a very serious crisis.

Mm, you seem to think I've missed your point but you're so blatantly missing mine.

Re-read your own post please.

As for your new post "there's no doubt that rano is slow 99% of the time, last night he wasnt". What is that even supposed to mean?
Cambiasso and Lucio bailed him out so it's OK? The unit was disjointed and ineffective with a lack of cohesion, as it's been for a while now.

As for your comment about your personal preference for football styles, I don't actually believe I commented on it, so good work with that. I too took immense satisfaction in the way our treble winning team was able to tactically outsmart and simply battle its way through a more delicate and pretty Barcelona side. Your new to this forum, and therefore wouldn't know I'm a big critic of Barcelona. I admire, but don't care for their way of play and I'm fond of the more physical, straight-to-the-point way we've played for a long time now. Last night was just garbage though. I'm not saying Ranieri had no plan, but what kind of plan clearly isolates our already struggling forwards and tells our backs to just spam long balls forward? What kind of plan enforces a formation and style of play which is so clearly not suited to our side?

Ranieri is a coward and a loser. That's why he's won nothing of note. Why has he been able to stabilise the side? Because that's what he does. He takes disjointed sides and then plays it super safe until they recover (winning nothing in the process of course). As with any transfer or new addition to the squad, regardless of my opinion on them, I hope they succeed and that goes for Ranieri as well. Realistically I don't see it happening though. I hope to fucking God we have a proper replacement lined up soon, and not Moratti's "get a caretaker coach until Guardiola joins us" bullshit.

 

[perika]

guys guys ...In this days its hard to be Inter supporter... i realy hate how our beloved Inter play,no good for eyes,to much selfish players slow without idea.... simply ZERO

 

[Gerti-inter]

4-2-3-1
--------------J.Cesar
------Ranocchia----Lucio
Maicon---------------------Zanetti
--------T.Motta----Cambiasso
---------------------------------
---Alvarez----Sneijder----Coutinho
---------------Forlan

A power and young line-up..

And if Sneijder can't play->
Poli IN with 4-3-2-1

 

[Caecuban]

:fuckyea:

Sorry.

next round I'll try the same with Milan and Juve, lets see if it works

 

[Pajo]

:dielaugh:

 

[Kenny]

next round I'll try the same with Milan and Juve, lets see if it works

Keeping the fingers crossed :challenge:

 

[Handoyo]

We loose....ppl complain. We win......ppl complain even more. A couple of weeks ago we were in the RELEGATION ZONE, today we are in 5TH! Can someone please explain to me why the bitching and moaning is still going on? Our players will peak......the team will come together. But for now what's important is not how we play, but the results we obtain. I can't wait to see a fully fit team in the new year. CR will always be he Tinkerman he is, but most important thing is he's getting results. A fit maicon, wes and forlan coupled with a rock solid wally and lucio are going to make a world of difference to this team. So lay off the bitching FFS.......the signs are there that we will peak......HOPEFULLY

http://only-inter.fateback.com/articles.htm#areinter
http://forzainterforums.com/showthread.php?5861-We-are-Inter!

This piece written by Jimmy should be on the first chapter, first verse, of the Interisti bible. Perfect way to describe the current situation.

 

[Inter7]

i understand wanting the team to improve but you cant say all 4W in the past 5 have been luck we have played better and its only gonna keep improving with a fully fit wes and january reinforcments

 

[emcct]

4-2-3-1
--------------J.Cesar
------Ranocchia----Lucio
Maicon---------------------Zanetti
--------T.Motta----Cambiasso
---------------------------------
---Alvarez----Sneijder----Coutinho
---------------Forlan

A power and young line-up..

And if Sneijder can't play->
Poli IN with 4-3-2-1

I would love to try this, only thing I hate is a 1 man striker, unless the trident behind him can go deep forward. It's really hard to be alone, then remember you are VS 4 defenders who only have to focus on you.

Also, Im not a big fan of Motta. Exchange him with Zanetti, and put maybe nagatomo at the back.

 

[Tanel]

i understand wanting the team to improve but you cant say all 4W in the past 5 have been luck we have played better and its only gonna keep improving with a fully fit wes and january reinforcments

We weren't lucky against Genoa and Fiorentina, those were deserved although our forward play really made it hard (against Genoa it was really rather the case of worst team losing rather than best team winning). However against Cesena, we were massively lucky, Cesena created constant situations where you felt they might score only to be denied by some brilliant Lucio tackle or JC, while we had about 3 situations (one when Nagatomo hit over from volley, one where Pazzo failed to control Motta's pass in the box and one where we scored).

 

[mexican_azzurri]

In this type of match coutihno looks too bad...he dont have yet the attitude for serie A.

 

[Mnassar]

Mm, you seem to think I've missed your point but you're so blatantly missing mine.

Re-read your own post please.

As for your new post "there's no doubt that rano is slow 99% of the time, last night he wasnt". What is that even supposed to mean?
Cambiasso and Lucio bailed him out so it's OK? The unit was disjointed and ineffective with a lack of cohesion, as it's been for a while now.

As for your comment about your personal preference for football styles, I don't actually believe I commented on it, so good work with that. I too took immense satisfaction in the way our treble winning team was able to tactically outsmart and simply battle its way through a more delicate and pretty Barcelona side. Your new to this forum, and therefore wouldn't know I'm a big critic of Barcelona. I admire, but don't care for their way of play and I'm fond of the more physical, straight-to-the-point way we've played for a long time now. Last night was just garbage though. I'm not saying Ranieri had no plan, but what kind of plan clearly isolates our already struggling forwards and tells our backs to just spam long balls forward? What kind of plan enforces a formation and style of play which is so clearly not suited to our side?

Ranieri is a coward and a loser. That's why he's won nothing of note. Why has he been able to stabilise the side? Because that's what he does. He takes disjointed sides and then plays it super safe until they recover (winning nothing in the process of course). As with any transfer or new addition to the squad, regardless of my opinion on them, I hope they succeed and that goes for Ranieri as well. Realistically I don't see it happening though. I hope to fucking God we have a proper replacement lined up soon, and not Moratti's "get a caretaker coach until Guardiola joins us" bullshit.

very well said...

 

[Inter7]

We weren't lucky against Genoa and Fiorentina, those were deserved although our forward play really made it hard (against Genoa it was really rather the case of worst team losing rather than best team winning). However against Cesena, we were massively lucky, Cesena created constant situations where you felt they might score only to be denied by some brilliant Lucio tackle or JC, while we had about 3 situations (one when Nagatomo hit over from volley, one where Pazzo failed to control Motta's pass in the box and one where we scored).

thats inter though we win ugly and always give fans heart attacks its always been like this!!!