Zdravko Kuzmanovic

[Kakaroto]

Round 2 Fight!!

 

[AntonTheGreat]

You have no logical argument to why our squad should be that good. Apart from our oldies, it mostly consists of players who havent done or shown anything at a high level before they came to Inter. Where is the logic in that these players suddenly should bloom and become great players in the right circumstances, when they havent shown any signs of it? If players are good, they will perform good generally, they wont make mindless mistakes constantly and incredibly enough the opposite is true if they are not so good.

Why is it so far fetched that the players simply arent that good? Its hilarious, as soon as a player joins Inter, his potential just rises 600% according to people on this board.

Its quite funny actually, because when i read a match thread here, the same people who believe we have a great squad has no problem bashing the players performances time and time again, yet for some far out reason they still these players are great players, better than at most other serie a clubs? It makes no sense, its ridiculous.

Its completely illogical.

When something, over a long period of time, smells like shit, looks like shit and taste like shit.... Then its probably shit, not cotton candy like you apparently think.

Did you ever watch kuzmanovic play at fiorentina?! or Guarin while he was a beast in the first half of the season, or Alvarez in the later part of the season, or Icardi/Belfodil at such a raw age owning teams/defenders.(etc. etc.) To say they havent shown any signs of being good/great players is just a dumb and ignorant remark. Most of our young and mid age players have shown plenty of potential that could be molded into consistency with the right environment and coaching...

 

[Pajo]

Kuz at VIola was long time ago, you dont even need to go that far. It's anough to look at his first 2 seasons at Stuttgart, even last one. This season has been the worst in his career.

 

[minterke]

Kuzmanovic sucks guys. He's slow as fuck, he's got terrible tactical awareness the only thing he can do is shoot and pass. If we aspire of being a CL team he needs to go.

 

[Wallace]

We probably don't, so he can stay for now.


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[Ojap]

Did you ever watch kuzmanovic play at fiorentina?! or Guarin while he was a beast in the first half of the season, or Alvarez in the later part of the season, or Icardi/Belfodil at such a raw age owning teams/defenders.(etc. etc.) To say they havent shown any signs of being good/great players is just a dumb and ignorant remark. Most of our young and mid age players have shown plenty of potential that could be molded into consistency with the right environment and coaching...

Everyone gets it right a few times obviously, that has nothing to do with playing consistently well and its completely beyond the point anyways. The issue we were discussing is if our players really are better than the players at lazio, roma, fiorentina, milan, napoli which they imo clearly arent. None of our players have shown any great talent superior to that of the players in the other teams. The tendency of overrating our own players on this board is nauseating.

You might want to keep up with the the real discussion next time you decide to reply instead of pulling out sentence and commenting on it out of context with the real topic thats being discussed.

 

[ZeruTituli]

cmon man that worst team in 3 decades is getting old, + he may be the reason why that team was crap in the first place with schelotto and rochi

It's only getting old because people keep judging individuals in the light of a terrible team. It reminds me of people after WC2010 who were saying Messi was overrated because Argentina were crap. One individual cannot carry a team for long. And Kuzmanovic - a useful squad player - cannot carry an injury hit brain fart of a team with no leadership. What did you expect from him? To come in and change the course of our season? How many players could have done that?

 

[ZeruTituli]

Everyone gets it right a few times obviously, that has nothing to do with playing consistently well and its completely beyond the point anyways. The issue we were discussing is if our players really are better than the players at lazio, roma, fiorentina, milan, napoli which they imo clearly arent. None of our players have shown any great talent superior to that of the players in the other teams. The tendency of overrating our own players on this board is nauseating.

You might want to keep up with the the real discussion next time you decide to reply instead of pulling out sentence and commenting on it out of context with the real topic thats being discussed.

It's not true, as you say, that "everyone gets it right a few times". Whilst form inevitably varies, most players do not play as well as Kuzmanovic or Guarin at their best. They are elite players.

Your emphasis on better players is moot. I think our players are roughly as good as those at our rivals. The difference at top teams comes down to 1) Leadership 2) Groups of individuals functioning as a high performing team 3) Physical condition.

1 and 2 encapsulate players having due regard for each other, staying motivated, working hard, and having a clear direction.

When we won the treble we had a very good side, but it is hard to argue the players were better than the best clubs in Europe. Today we have a good side, but it is hard to argue our payers are better than the top 7 in Italy. What made the difference in 2010, and will make the difference this season, is the cohesiveness of the squad. How well can we put 1) 2) and 3) together.

This pattern is repeated time and time again, most notably with Alex Ferguson at Man Utd. When was the last time they had the best players? The best teams consistently outperform their rivals by being more than the sum of their parts.

There is good reason to think 1) 2) and 3) above will be present this season.

 

[Pajo]

Playing well in inter's team from last year is same as being world class in well organized team.

I can bet in my life that if we put 70% of the players in our squad in some of the great clubs in the world, they will play with 200% from the play at Inter. It's not the squad, im positive about that, it's the setup, the motivation, the TEAM, the tactics... Everything has their part. The team might not be as good as the one from 2010 quality wise, but it's definitely better than Roma, Fiorentina, Milan or Lazio. As I said, only Juve is by far better and Napoli - debatable. Cavani and Hamsik make the difference there, take them out, they have no better squad than Catania.

 

[Doffy]

man, guarin is trillion times better then kuzmanovic. what are you people even saying... kuzmanovic is one of the worst players i have seen in a while, he is even worse then schelotto ffs.

he sucks alright, if he played for barcelona he would still suck. if he played for tottenham he would suck and if he played for jube he would suck.

what is so hard to understand? this player is as limited as it gets, no pace, no ability to defend. do you people understand how fucked up that is, a cm who doesnt know how to defend. he also cant get past his marker and his passing is as average as it gets. the only reason he was able to achieve an average on passing is because he played as a regista and was under almost no pressure from opposition.

what has this player to offer? what can he possibly offer to a team like this? appart from making us get raped on the counter?

fuck this guy seriously. :work:

 

[Pajo]

He is worse than Schelotto... Now i heard it all His passing, his main strenght along with his shot, average

Saying you dont like him fine, saying he is average, fine, he has been for Inter. Saying he is slow, or shit in defense, you are 10% right. But saying he is bad passer, only says you have no idea what kind of player he is, or any of our other players. If we talk about raw passing and vision, he is the best passer we've had after Sneijder. He is just too limited and wont work in some systems. AND he won't work under Mazzarri imo.

 

[pencilpal]

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[pencilpal]

CABEZdFUEGO: are you kidding me?

Kuzmanović is the only pure distributor in our team that'll be here next season. The rest of the players we have can't circulate the ball around the field, and that's where Kuzmanovic especially shines.

His passing and movement is pretty good, and his shooting is also not bad. That is to say, defensively he's quite poor, but there should be someone behind him who can provide cover.

For a substitute, he is more than decent as a regista, and can certainly make more of an impact on the pitch than (e.g.) Mudingayi, Schelotto, or Chivu.

I am certain that you are just yet another fan that doesn't watch games and judge players based on their performances. He obviously has zero potential, but he's clearly not as bad as you make him out to be.

So get your facts together and then formulate an opinion instead of insulting players when you haven't even watched them on the pitch.

 

[Black&Blue]

Kuzmanovic is definitely not a top class player,but could be useful as replacement for our central midfielders.

 

[HolyNoob]

Jesus, can't believe we are still talking about how Kuzmanovic cannot be in first time.
We pay 1 mil and low salary to have a GOOD replacement, that's all and that is his place. I repeat, 1 mil and low salary. So why do you guys complain?

Same story for Mudingayi. FYI, he is a very DECENT sub and will be very useful. We will need them all.

 

[Alessio]

Jesus, can't believe we are still talking about how Kuzmanovic cannot be in first time.
We pay 1 mil and low salary to have a GOOD replacement, that's all and that is his place. I repeat, 1 mil and low salary. So why do you guys complain?

Same story for Mudingayi. FYI, he is a very DECENT sub and will be very useful. We will need them all.

But don't you think one could rather use that low salary on a talented youngster that could develop into a better player instead of shipping them out exactly because of the likes of Kuzmanovic and Mudingayi?

 

[Doffy]

CABEZdFUEGO: are you kidding me?

Kuzmanović is the only pure distributor in our team that'll be here next season. The rest of the players we have can't circulate the ball around the field, and that's where Kuzmanovic especially shines.

His passing and movement is pretty good, and his shooting is also not bad. That is to say, defensively he's quite poor, but there should be someone behind him who can provide cover.

For a substitute, he is more than decent as a regista, and can certainly make more of an impact on the pitch than (e.g.) Mudingayi, Schelotto, or Chivu.

I am certain that you are just yet another fan that doesn't watch games and judge players based on their performances. He obviously has zero potential, but he's clearly not as bad as you make him out to be.

So get your facts together and then formulate an opinion instead of insulting players when you haven't even watched them on the pitch.

our only distributor? do you even understand what a distributor is. how about kovacic and grandpa cambiasso? even mudingayi can distribute if given the chance and just for the record i rate mudingayi a loot higher then kuzm.

you agree on him being poor defensively, alright, and you say his best postion is regista. even if we could get makelele himself when he was on his best in his career to partner kuzmanovic we would still fail. playing him in the middle of the park is suicide.

and your last sentence.. when i havent even watched them on the pitch? huh what? ofcourse i watched them, otherwise how would i be able to have an opinion over him. iv seen him plenty last season, he sucks. full stop.

as a fan it should be perfectly acceptable to criticize players who suck. its only normal

 

[wambam]

But don't you think one could rather use that low salary on a talented youngster that could develop into a better player instead of shipping them out exactly because of the likes of Kuzmanovic and Mudingayi?

I don't think Kuzmanovic will fit in Mazzarri's system, but I also really don't think that talented young players should be on the bench instead of the Mudingayis of the squad. Young players need confidence and consistency, they won't get that by being backups. I believe this is especially true for GK, CB, and DM, the other positions have a bit more wiggle room.

 

[pencilpal]

our only distributor? do you even understand what a distributor is. how about kovacic and grandpa cambiasso? even mudingayi can distribute if given the chance and just for the record i rate mudingayi a loot higher then kuzm.

you agree on him being poor defensively, alright, and you say his best postion is regista. even if we could get makelele himself when he was on his best in his career to partner kuzmanovic we would still fail. playing him in the middle of the park is suicide.

and your last sentence.. when i havent even watched them on the pitch? huh what? ofcourse i watched them, otherwise how would i be able to have an opinion over him. iv seen him plenty last season, he sucks. full stop.

as a fan it should be perfectly acceptable to criticize players who suck. its only normal

Kovacic is not a distributor. He occupied that role in the first few months after he came here, but later on in the season his dribbling and assists shined. Kovacic will be pushed forward into the pitch as a creative playmaker. Of course he'll help with distribution, but his role will not be to circulate the ball around the pitch.

Imho Cambiasso is far too old to even be considered. When he's in form, he's a very useful addition to the squad, but when he's not (most of the time), he's deadwood and simply useless on the pitch.

But Kuzmanovic, he's certainly a distributor.

In the central and the defensive midfield, it's useful to have a player that can move the ball around the field, where players can pass it back if they don't see opportunity. Remember that Kuzmanovic can also be played in the attacking midfield, where he did pretty well with Stuttgart in the last few seasons (because defensive responsibilities aren't as high). And he also has decent abilities as a regista and an attacking playmaker.

I'm definitely not saying he's world class, but to even rate Mudingayi higher than him is pure idiocy, and proves that you don't watch games, or rather, enough games to be making a scathing opinion about Kuzmanovic.

For his transfer fee/wages, as a substitute on the bench, and considering his qualities as a player, he should be here next season.

And don't even say that we have other distributors, because there you're dead wrong.

 

[minterke]

Kovacic's distribution of the ball > Kuzmanovic's