Tiago Tomás Palacios

[vex]

Sky - L'Inter sempre più vicina a Palacios: 6 mln per definire l'operazione

Importanti aggiornamenti da Gianluca Di Marzio sul mercato dell'Inter: è sempre più vicino l'arrivo di Palacios per la difesa

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Is Palacios or Juan Cabal better?

Cabal looked so bad to me when I watched him on you tube that I genuinely thought we used him as a bait after juve got involved.

Palacios looks like a real talent and the one with huge potential between the two of them.

 

[IL Fenomeno]

Sky - L'Inter sempre più vicina a Palacios: 6 mln per definire l'operazione

Importanti aggiornamenti da Gianluca Di Marzio sul mercato dell'Inter: è sempre più vicino l'arrivo di Palacios per la difesa

www.fcinter1908.it

Is Palacios or Juan Cabal better?

paywall for me

 

[thatdude]

Glad we’re doing some business. Cheap signing and looks like he’s got potential. This should be a good environment for him as well with a lot of veteran leadership and captain from his home country.

I would have preferred a different profile than what we have in Bastoni already. I think it’s good to have a converted fullback type option like we have with Darmian or more what we were linked to with Cabal. I guess Carlos Augusto can still play there when needed. Sometimes the towering CBs can be worrying against pacey wingers.

 

[Il Drago]

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[ADRossi]

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These reports aren't reassuring me. Until OakTree goes out and makes a meaningful signing, I'm going to worry that we're relegated to these half-baked prayers.

 

[varmin]

So, this guy is for the first team, or we will send him on loan somewhere?

 

[thatdude]

These reports aren't reassuring me. Until OakTree goes out and makes a meaningful signing, I'm going to worry that we're relegated to these half-baked prayers.

Agreed. The sample size is small but so far I’m not exactly enamored by the rumored strategy. Hopefully they sell Inter sooner rather than later tbh.

 

[satubito]

Looking forward to waking up tomorrow reading that this guy has been snatched up right from under our noses.

 

[Rodani]

Leipzig probably gonna outbid us with a couple of cans of redbull

 

[Kramerica Industries]

These reports aren't reassuring me. Until OakTree goes out and makes a meaningful signing, I'm going to worry that we're relegated to these half-baked prayers.

They never intended to own the club and we're seeing that play out.

 

[Il Drago]

People will call me Oaktree fanboy, apologist etc. Whatever. I don't really care. But i don't see a problem with signing Palacios as Bastoni backup. It's about a position with no aspirations to become a starter any time soon and he will have the time to grow with no pressure to deliver immediately. I prefer taking a punt on a kid at a low cost than see Inter sign another washed up veteran as a stop gap.

If Oaktree go for a Palacios type of player (totally unproven) even when when we want to replace a starter (e.g. Acerbi) then we have a problem and i will be the first to point it out. But now i don't see a reason to panic.

 

[eduzee]

In Torino, there is less pressure and responsibility compared to Inter. Bellanova found it easier to express himself and develop at Torino. Even Lazaro looks more like a footballer, playing there.

 

[PHM1605]

Motivation is the key of all success, more so for any kid. Here at Inter we are (or were, hopefully) the best in destroying it.

The pressure is coming from both the management and fans. Let's imagine how hopeless Asllani was when he was doing everything possible then fucking Gagsy got his farewell minutes, just to leave a month later he must have the heart of steel.

I am happy to see Oaktree policy right now. We have never invested that much on teenagers since forever. Price and quantity I mean.

 

[Bluenine]

Motivation is the key of all success, more so for any kid. Here at Inter we are (or were, hopefully) the best in destroying it.

The pressure is coming from both the management and fans. Let's imagine how hopeless Asllani was when he was doing everything possible then fucking Gagsy got his farewell minutes, just to leave a month later he must have the heart of steel.

I am happy to see Oaktree policy right now. We have never invested that much on teenagers since forever. Price and quantity I mean.

All of us would like to see Inter sign young players instead of 30+ year olds. Everyone wants a good blend of experience & youth. The issue is of quality. Inter just cannot afford to get decent young talents (like Zirkzee, Olmo, Calafiori, etc). So either we take a huge hit in our quality by punting on low cost youth (Buchanan, Asllani, Bisseck, etc), or we look for bargain/free deals of 30+ yr olds who have the quality but no resale value (Calhanoglu, Mkhitaryan, Taremi, etc). I prefer the latter. Because however good your scouting network is, you cannot expect to win silverware with too many low cost young players

The last time Inter "invested" on young players, it was at the start of the banter era. Or rather, it started the Banter era. Biabiany, Alvarez, Zarate, Juan Jesus, Schelotto, Taider, Belfodil, Kovacic, Laxalt, etc were all relatively young buys, at relatively low costs. It gives you an idea what the success rate of low cost youth is.

 

[Kramerica Industries]

All of us would like to see Inter sign young players instead of 30+ year olds. Everyone wants a good blend of experience & youth. The issue is of quality. The problem is that we cannot afford to get decent young talents (like Zirkzee, Olmo, Calafiori, etc). So either we take a huge hit in our quality by punting on low cost youth (Buchanan, Asllani, Bisseck, etc), or we look for bargain/free deals of 30+ yr olds who have the quality but no resale value (Calhanoglu, Mkhitaryan, Taremi, etc). I prefer the latter. Because however good your scouting network is, you cannot expect to win silverware with too many low cost young players

The last time Inter "invested" on young players, it was at the start of the banter era. Or rather, it started the Banter era. Biabiany, Alvarez, Zarate, Juan Jesus, Schelotto, Taider, Belfodil, Kovacic, Laxalt, etc were all relatively young buys, at relatively low costs. It gives you an idea what the success rate of low cost youth is.

It's also not an either/or situation. If you want to make investing in youth your primary mode of operation, for lots of clubs that's their only way to financial solidity. But it's not going to win you much of anything. Atalanta winning the Europa League last year was a rare exception. Investment in youth won't win you a top domestic league, investment in youth won't win you the Champions League, not if you don't supplement your roster with experienced players with know-how for handling tough environments, tough schedules, know how to provide leadership during training and video sessions, and everything else that players can only gain through experience. You want the veterans you already have to lead the way for the young players coming in, and by the time the vets leave the club, those young players have become experienced vets themselves, and now they become the leaders and show the way for the younger players. So on and so on. If Oaktree has a "youths only" policy, then we're gonna have to come to terms with our most recent Scudetto being perhaps the last one we'll see for quite some time, because that strategy isn't a winning strategy. Juve's summer transfers have brought in two 23-year-olds, but also two 26-year-olds and heavily linked with 26 y/o Koopmeiners as well. Those 26 year-olds aren't inexperienced players, they've been around for some time now. That's excellent investing age.

Shifting the topic just a bit, being concerned about resale value on a free transfer like Hermoso just doesn't make sense. If you aren't paying a transfer fee to get someone, then any eventual sale money you get from them (if any) is essentially a bonus. Worry about resale on players you pay transfer fees to, sure, obviously amortization and plusvalenza and all those accounting terms that make me start rocking back and forth and sucking my thumb when I hear them are all of relevance. You're losing the plot when you're blocking transfers on the basis of "resale value" for 29 year old centerbacks. Doesn't make sense.

 

[PHM1605]

All of us would like to see Inter sign young players instead of 30+ year olds. Everyone wants a good blend of experience & youth. The issue is of quality. Inter just cannot afford to get decent young talents (like Zirkzee, Olmo, Calafiori, etc). So either we take a huge hit in our quality by punting on low cost youth (Buchanan, Asllani, Bisseck, etc), or we look for bargain/free deals of 30+ yr olds who have the quality but no resale value (Calhanoglu, Mkhitaryan, Taremi, etc). I prefer the latter. Because however good your scouting network is, you cannot expect to win silverware with too many low cost young players

All of us would like to see Inter sign young players instead of 30+ year olds. Everyone wants a good blend of experience & youth. The issue is of quality. Inter just cannot afford to get decent young talents (like Zirkzee, Olmo, Calafiori, etc). So either we take a huge hit in our quality by punting on low cost youth (Buchanan, Asllani, Bisseck, etc), or we look for bargain/free deals of 30+ yr olds who have the quality but no resale value (Calhanoglu, Mkhitaryan, Taremi, etc). I prefer the latter. Because however good your scouting network is, you cannot expect to win silverware with too many low cost young players
The last time Inter "invested" on young players, it was at the start of the banter era. Or rather, it started the Banter era. Biabiany, Alvarez, Zarate, Juan Jesus, Schelotto, Taider, Belfodil, Kovacic, Laxalt, etc were all relatively young buys, at relatively low costs. It gives you an idea what the success rate of low cost youth is.

You basically choose examples from a team with historically bad scouting.

The moment we, fans with limited footballing network, know a specific young player, it is already too late. The key is collecting kids before the whole world knows them. None of your mentioned players are club trained. So you are basically claiming Inter has less financial power than Bologna or Leipzig?

Veterans aren't problem. But too many of them is a big problem. Inter are having the highest age average. Elderly cost tons of salary and give zero in return so that is opportunity cost lost too. In the most successful season for decades (CL final) Inter still operated in negative. We won the Scudetto; but our finance is still shit, not sustainable. Factual evidence is Zhang did lose his own club due to this phylosophy. Fans don't care coz it's not your money. But let's be honest, if you were Oaktree, the owner, will you continue this same way and bleeding your hundreds of millions every year?

We are buying tons of kids at the same price range of Laxalt Belfodil etc. atm. Let's see at the end of the season, if we are approaching the banter era or competing the Scudetto. It will be proven on the field

 

[Bluenine]

We are buying tons of kids at the same price range of Laxalt Belfodil etc. atm. Let's see at the end of the season, if we are approaching the banter era or competing the Scudetto. It will be proven on the field

This year we may compete for the Scudetto, but thats coz of the Suning Era signings. Specially the ones you are calling the "elderly" (eg: Calhanoglu, Mkhi, Sommer, Acerbi, etc) and the expensive talents (Barella, Pavard, Bastoni, Frattesi, etc), who right now make all of our starting XI.

But what happens when most of our starting XI are players like Asllani & Buchanan & Bisseck & Palacios? Its almost impossible to win the Scudetto with a squad full of low cost players like that. Even clubs with brilliant scouting like Atalanta or Brighton haven't competed for the league title yet after years of great mercato business. The Leicester CIty story happens once in a blue moon, it cannot be a blueprint for a top club

I'm not saying Palacios is a bad signing. Sure, for a sqaud player we can take punts like that. I'm talking about the fear that under Oaktree we may soon start replacing our Starting XI players with punts like that - even with the best of scouting & management, which we have, that strategy will result in a gradual decline

 

[vex]

I'm talking about the fear that under Oaktree we may soon start replacing our Starting XI players with punts like that - even with the best of scouting & management, which we have, that strategy will result in a gradual decline

Yep, in that case, bar some massive incompetence, juve will again start to dominate given that they are the only club who has certain ambition/ability to spend big money (big money in seria a context). Everyone else lacks one or the other.

 

[PHM1605]

This year we may compete for the Scudetto, but thats coz of the Suning Era signings. Specially the ones you are calling the "elderly" (eg: Calhanoglu, Mkhi, Sommer, Acerbi, etc) and the expensive talents (Barella, Pavard, Bastoni, Frattesi, etc), who right now make all of our starting XI.

But what happens when most of our starting XI are players like Asllani & Buchanan & Bisseck & Palacios? Its almost impossible to win the Scudetto with a squad full of low cost players like that. Even clubs with brilliant scouting like Atalanta or Brighton haven't competed for the league title yet after years of great mercato business. The Leicester CIty story happens once in a blue moon, it cannot be a blueprint for a top club

I'm not saying Palacios is a bad signing. Sure, for a sqaud player we can take punts like that. I'm talking about the fear that under Oaktree we may soon start replacing our Starting XI players with punts like that - even with the best of scouting & management, which we have, that strategy will result in a gradual decline

I am not suggesting going full crazy mode, selling the whole core and field a team with only cheap players either. The banter era wasn't because of Biabiany Taider Belfodil; they didn't cost a lot after all. But because Thohir, due to financial mess, must sell Sneijder, Motta, Eto'o and all legends. Then put all weights on the poor kids and wonder why the result collapsed.

I wanna buy youngs to support the current core. You guys, if I understand correctly, prefer Hermoso, Rabiot, Ricardo Rodriguez, such "proven" profiles to add to the current roaster, don't you? Then I would say it is a massive mistake. Don't color me in the insane zone where I wanna trade a current 700m rated squad and a ~50m one (as reds) that's not a fair fight obviously.

 

[El Matador]

All this negative talk about Oaktree.. Sure they didn’t buy anyone but they really got us through an entire window without selling a single significant player. That means a lot to me. Considering the last three years we’ve sold Hakimi, Lukaku, Brozovic, Onana, Skriniar.

We’ve basically kept the entire team and got Zielinski + Taremi and a back up LCB. I’ll take it.

Even though I prefer a new ST and CCB