Thiago Motta

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Future coach of Inter!
I don't know really. Spezia changed to counter attacking football under him. I understand him, as it's difficult to play nice football to watch if your main goal is just to survive. Anyway it's still to early to judge him.
The coaches which impressed me the most in serie A so far ( apart from Inzaghi) are, Juric, Italiano and Pioli.
 
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I rate Juric. His Hellas Verona teams were always well drilled and organised and difficult to breakdown and beat.
 

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Loved him while he was at Inter!

Similar to Cambiasso, I felt we cut him loose before his time. He still had something offer and left perhaps a season or two too early.

He wanted to go, we didn’t really want to let him go. He said once Eto’o left he saw the direction the club was going, basically he saw the banter era coming.
 

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I can't blame him. God knows what was going behind the scenes back then, our players disliked most of the coaches after Mourinho, ..

Well, fuck it, it was worth winning a Trippleta.
 

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Rafa Benitez was definitely the wrong coach to hire but the idea behind it was not that poor.


I'm going into Moratti thread territory here but it's crucial to understand why guys like Motta ended up wanting to leave.
Problem is that in 2010 Moratti's financial position looked much better than it did in 2012 due to the financial crisis (2009- in Europe), where Italy was hit a lot more than other big European countries like France, Germany and the UK. Hint: Moratti's financial situation was not that great in 2010....

Also, oil prices skyrocketed above $100 per barrel. Moratti's business is oil refining. High oil prices are bad for business. Lots of Big Oil companies have the benefit of being more diversified and less specialized so they don't get hurt as much, but high oil prices were not very welcome news for the Moratti family. The price was high from 2010 until the end of 2014. When it halved. But Moratti was saturated by then and definitely couldn't keep it going at Inter. There were also a couple of scandals in the refineries so being a high profile person spending gazillions on football was not ideal at the time.

Obviously no one could predict the prices of oil staying up there for so long, but it was a consideration to make.



The idea of Rafa Benitez was that he was a manager with success in Europe and Moratti wanted more of that. He loved how much it meant to win the Champions League, to win everything in the same year, but mostly he loved how Juventus and Milan were hiding in their caves when he achieved this. He wanted more of that but he knew he didn't have the strength for it.

Rafa Benitez was an appointment that meant Inter, despite not investing heavily, could have a manager that was experienced in getting results in Europe. Problem is, this was Mourinho's team. Rafa is a completely different person, not really likeable and more authoritarian as a coach, more distant as a person etc. Mancini on the other hand was not like this, he was a former star player so he loved being close with players, making the transition from Mancini to Mourinho a more smooth one, yet the team was on its way to be dismantled anyway.
On the other hand, the Mourinho team was rather fresh despite the high average of age. Milito was 30, Eto'o was 29, Motta was 28, Lucio was 32 and all the veterans of the team were over 28 as well. So the team was still in its prime and breaking it apart did not make much sense at the time. It had something to offer but Moratti couldn't back it.


Hiring Benitez was a poor choice from a personal perspective, but from a sporting one it was an icky one that made sense. The players just couldn't handle it.

I think hiring Leonardo was the nail to the coffin. He was not suited to be a coach, he didn't have any success with Milan and the only reason Moratti hired him was because he wanted the next 3 Thiago Silvas to come to Inter, yet Coutinho who was already there was hardly used.
Gasperini was a smart choice that failed miserably. Gasperini was the best coach in Italy at the time [Genoa years] since Spalletti and Prandelli weren't in Serie A anymore and Ancelott had left years back. A new project with old players was not possible.


There was no coach at the moment that could have taken over Mourinho. Guardiola was still at Barcelona and hardly an option for us then. When he left them, we were already in a heavy downtrend.

Ancelotti before moving to PSG could have been it, but he refused. In retrospect maybe Allegri in 2010 would have been a choice that worked out well. I liked Simeone since his Estudiantes (coaching Veron) and River days as a coach but it was a risk at the time, with mixed results.


It was all just very bad timing. If Moratti had the funds to secure Mascherano and Alexis Sanchez like Rafa wanted, last decade would have looked far different for the club. Instead we're looking at all these 2010 legends leaving the club in ways that we couldn't imagine:
Eto'o sold off to a Russian village.
Motta wanting out.
Sneijder wanting out and ending up at Turkey for 1/5th of what Ferguson's Man Utd was giving us.
Lucio terminated to join Juventus.
Zanetti sort of forced to retire despite wanting to stay more.
Cambiasso and Samuel forced out.
Julio Cesar thrown away to the 7th team of London.
Maicon sold for peanuts to a nouveau-riche City.
Even someone like Muntari ended up at Milan.

Milito was the only one that closed his cycle properly, just like the old guard of Cordoba, Materazzi, Stankovic. And Chivu was plain unlucky over the years.

It's such a sad and tragic end to a winning cycle, lots of these guys didn't even get to live one. It was climbing up a mountain from the first go and then suddenly a huge drop off.

I think all of this made us very upset and it's why we get so attached to certain individuals over the years that have been around for 2-3 years and showed some passion. It's hard to say goodbye to players that give you great moments, so imagine how hard it must have been for Moratti to sell all of these guys that gave him his biggest joy as a football director! We all knew that there was more to come with that group, even the players themselves! But it just didn't happen for a number of reasons.
 

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So this season almost the same?

Suning has financial problem.
Coach and staffs (Conte, Lele Orialli, Pintus) had leaved.
Key players (Lukaku, Hakimi) had leaved.
 

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Motta has said many times it was Branca who forced him out.
 

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Motta has said many times it was Branca who forced him out.
Because we had received interest for him :lol:
Motta could have declined the offer, just like he did from Chelsea and those 1-2 teams that bid for him at the time.
I think the midpoint here is that Motta left because of our financial situation and abandonment of any ambition to compete for titles.


Will we be saying that Marotta or Zhang forced Hakimi out in the future? Just curious.
 

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Because we had received interest for him :lol:
Motta could have declined the offer, just like he did from Chelsea and those 1-2 teams that bid for him at the time.
I think the midpoint here is that Motta left because of our financial situation and abandonment of any ambition to compete for titles.


Will we be saying that Marotta or Zhang forced Hakimi out in the future? Just curious.

“I was happy there, but certain people didn't agree with me. I specifically mean Marco Branca, who was director of sport at the time with Lele Oriali. He did not agree with the fact I was at Inter.

“I didn't feel the same confidence in me and, with the chance to go to PSG, i told myself I could go where there was a future for me. (Former President Massimo) Moratti was always a gentleman with me. He listened to what I had to say and we reached a deal."


I don't think he could have said it clearer.

Well Inter basically forced Hakimi out. Suning demanded at least 60-70m from sales and the management decided Hakimi should be the player to sacrifice. Hakimi's only request was selling him to PSG and not to Chelsea who had also shown interest.
 

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It's going to be interesting to see how those 2 end up as coaches in the near future. They're different but know football very well.
 

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I really like his job at Bologna. Certainly one to keep an eye on for the future.
 

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He wanted to go, we didn’t really want to let him go. He said once Eto’o left he saw the direction the club was going, basically he saw the banter era coming.
It`s true that Motta decided to leave.
I can't blame him. God knows what was going behind the scenes back then, our players disliked most of the coaches after Mourinho
Motta has said many times it was Branca who forced him out.
Here are some insights about what happened back then:

Italian agent Dario Canovi, father of Thiago Motta’s representative Alessandro, believes the Bologna coach is ‘ready for Inter‘ and confirms PSG President Nasser Al-Khelaifi wanted to hire him last summer and two years ago.
The ex-Italy international was appointed by Bologna in September, replacing Sinisa Mihajlovic and has won 10 of his 20 games in charge of the Rossoblu, including last weekend’s home match against Inter. With Simone Inzaghi under severe pressure at the Stadio Meazza, Motta has been mentioned as a potential replacement for the Italian tactician in 2023-24.

Dario Canovi, an Italian agent and father of Motta’s representative Alessandro, believes Motta would be up to the task.

“He can coach any top team. Inter, Milan, Juventus or PSG. I am not the only one who thinks it,” he told TMW.
“Last year and two years ago he was close to PSG. The President is aware of Thiago’s worth. It’s all true, Al Khelaifi wanted him and believe me, it wouldn’t be too early. He knows everything about PSG.”

Motta has played for both Inter and PSG as a player, winning the Treble with the Nerazzurri in 2009-10. He joined the Ligue 1 giants from Inter in January 2012 when Claudio Ranieri was in charge of the Benamata.

“Ranieri didn’t want to sell him, but Motta was not on good terms with [ex-Inter director] Marco Braca and a player he’s never liked but who was quite influential at the club.
PSG doctors came to Milan for his medical and the agreement was to do the deal in June, but Motta called Massimo Moratti, asking him to leave immediately. Lucikly, he had already undergone his medical, so we managed to close the deal on the deadline day in January.”

Motta, 40, began his coaching career with PSG’s U19 squad and continued in Serie A with Genoa, Spezia and Bologna.
Anyone can guess who that player was? An argie perhaps?
 
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Motta wins the coach's award for March, and he did it with different team, as last season won it with Spezia.

He also had some issues Arnautovic with, as there are rumors that Arnautovic doesn't give it all at training and he is now behind in the pecking order. Motta just said: "Arnautovic angry? I didn’t see his reaction, you have to ask him. He finds little space because at the moment others deserve to play more than him. There hasn’t been a revolution. Play who deserves, I have chosen the best team to face Lazio also to defend ourselves when it would be needed"

I think it's time to give a chance to a former player to coach Inter. Motta looks like a proper candidate.
 

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Motta wins the coach's award for March, and he did it with different team, as last season won it with Spezia.

He also had some issues Arnautovic with, as there are rumors that Arnautovic doesn't give it all at training and he is now behind in the pecking order. Motta just said: "Arnautovic angry? I didn’t see his reaction, you have to ask him. He finds little space because at the moment others deserve to play more than him. There hasn’t been a revolution. Play who deserves, I have chosen the best team to face Lazio also to defend ourselves when it would be needed"

I think it's time to give a chance to a former player to coach Inter. Motta looks like a proper candidate.

low wages + big bonus depending on results. No reason to bring a big coach if we will have the same players. Use some of those coaching wages on players
 

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Loved him as a player, gritty as fuck and no nonsense. Would definitely welcome him as Inter coach and hope he succeeds where many others failed.
 

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It`s true that Motta decided to leave.


Here are some insights about what happened back then:

Italian agent Dario Canovi, father of Thiago Motta’s representative Alessandro, believes the Bologna coach is ‘ready for Inter‘ and confirms PSG President Nasser Al-Khelaifi wanted to hire him last summer and two years ago.

Anyone can guess who that player was? An argie perhaps?
Understand that player was Cambiasso. Now I don't remember where I read it.
 

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low wages + big bonus depending on results. No reason to bring a big coach if we will have the same players. Use some of those coaching wages on players

If we have the same players, then Motta would be a massive failure. Our current squad is incredibly unfit for his 4-2-3-1. We would need a new rb, at least two cbs and at least 3 wingers. I even have doubts for the midfield. We have played with a midfield trio for so long that i am not sure a Barella-Brozovic/Hakan double pivot with Hakan/Mkhi in front of them would work. It's likely we would need a massive squad overhaul if we hired Motta.
 

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If we have the same players, then Motta would be a massive failure. Our current squad is incredibly unfit for his 4-2-3-1. We would need a new rb, at least two cbs and at least 3 wingers. I even have doubts for the midfield. We have played with a midfield trio for so long that i am not sure a Barella-Brozovic/Hakan double pivot with Hakan/Mkhi in front of them would work. It's likely we would need a massive squad overhaul if we hired Motta.
Motta is not stuck to a particular system. First he wanted to implement formation with 7 midfielders. When he was in Genoa, he tried nice possession football similar to Inzaghi now. Then he was fired. In Spezia he was a way more conservative. Compact team, good pressing, not so much space for the opposition.
I think he is capable to take the team with 3-5-2 and to make the transition similar to Allegri in Jube.
 
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