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No. The idea of one club loaning it's absolute top players to another club for no obvious reasons is fucking corrupt no matter how you cut it. As if juve would ever loan pogba, us icardi, or real Madrid Ronaldo just "cuz".
 

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The only reason we're discussing it, and the only reason it could be considered "corrupt" is because of ffp.

It's not like it actually saves Suning money. Are there tax or revenue-sharing implications that we're not considering here?
Not really. We did had those sort of 'dirty' business with Milan couple of years ago. It had under investigation couple of years ago. (Inter and Milan sold youth player for high price to each other).

It is not all about financial fair, it is fair in general
 

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Wasn't Lampard 'loaned' to Manchester City for a whole season when owned by New York City. Both clubs basically owned by the same company.... Just saying :work:
 

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Wasn't Lampard 'loaned' to Manchester City for a whole season when owned by New York City. Both clubs basically owned by the same company.... Just saying :work:

Hope our management team is smart enough to find those examples/reasons to argue with FIGC and UEFA.
 

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No. The idea of one club loaning it's absolute top players to another club for no obvious reasons is fucking corrupt no matter how you cut it. As if juve would ever loan pogba, us icardi, or real Madrid Ronaldo just "cuz".

I can think of a number of reasons of reasons why an owner of multiple teams would want to shift players around on loan deals (branding, squad balance, the receiving team being more competitive and potentially lucrative.

There would be absolutely nothing wrong with this practice if it didn't have FFP implications. The same owner is paying the same salary, in the end.

And how do Juve-Inter loan deals have anything to do with this conversation? The whole point here is that it's the same owner.
 

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I can think of a number of reasons of reasons why an owner of multiple teams would want to shift players around on loan deals (branding, squad balance, the receiving team being more competitive and potentially lucrative.

There would be absolutely nothing wrong with this practice if it didn't have FFP implications. The same owner is paying the same salary, in the end.

And how do Juve-Inter loan deals have anything to do with this conversation? The whole point here is that it's the same owner.


No, my point is Teixeira or Ramires is the equivalent of us loaning out Icardi, or Pogba from Juve.

And you're right. the WHOLE point is that it is the same owner. Icardi or Pogba would never be loaned out, so why would they loan out Ramires? Oh, right, because their owner owns another club?

Not going to happen. It's so blatantly corrupt.

Udinese loan out players who are NOT key first team players. That is perfectly fine, imho, like Chelsea loan out fringe and youth players. But loaning out your most expensive players for free to a related club is so fucking blatantly corrupt
 

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^ Yeah Iam sure that Juve, Milan will report us, on the other side - @I4E is right for Lampard he was TOP player on high wage etc....

I think we will wait one season and we will get Teixera next year, when the BIG signs BEGIN, with new rules for FFP, new stadium project, new sponsor etc...
 

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No. Lamp are had an option for a contract with New York but city actually signed him permanently. Everyone thought it was a loan and it kicked up controversy so they had to clarify exactly what the structure was.
 

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Chelsea loaned out Cuadrado and Salah... These were talented first team players. Just saying... Again :work:
 

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Players who were no longer wanted. It's not like Chelsea loaned out hazard.

Another important point with lamp are is that there's no ffp dodge. He was available on a bosman and as far as I know whichever club he was playing for was paying his wages in full. If we had ramirez and teixeira on loan that's effectively a 15-20m per annum amortisation dodge in our books.
 

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Browha. You are completely missing the point here. You're saying that a club loaning out an important player is 'blatantly corrupt'... But when you look at it, loaning ANY player is acceptable and quite legal. Just because a player has a higher profile doesn't mean it cannot be done.

As for Lampard, he was signed by a group that owned both clubs he played for. They played him at BOTH clubs without any transfer fees. This goes to show it CAN BE DONE...
 

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Lampard was on a bosman to city and from city left on a bosman to new York. The ownership structure there is irrelevant, as no transfer fees were paid and his wages were paid by his playing club in full.

My point is that UEFA doesn't have to follow a constitution. If they don't like something they will make it illegal.

Your argument is no different to " any sponsorship deal is inherently ok" - yet that's exactly what UEFA have cracked down on for a range of clubs.

So, for one, no we will not get 80 million euros of players for free in what will be one of footballs biggest financial dodges in history. For two, we only have one non EU slot left and we are still very actively pursuing non eu players.
 

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So, for one, no we will not get 80 million euros of players for free in what will be one of footballs biggest financial dodges in history. For two, we only have one non EU slot left and we are still very actively pursuing non eu players.

Mesut Ozil to Arsenal for £42.5m transfer is the footballs biggest financial dodges in history!

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Course continues to be talked about in China the historical acquisition by Suning Group Holdings 68% of Inter's shares for a sum of about 270 million euro. Investment that is for the giant Nanjing the largest effort in its history in terms of acquisitions, surpassing even the one made in 2015 to buy the 33.3% of the Chinese company's smartphone Nubia, operation from 1.93 billion yuan ( € 260.2 million). But Inter operation is undoubtedly considered the most prestigious for the Suning Group, for the opportunity to expand their business in Europe and for the chance to buy additional shares in the future.
 

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My point is that UEFA doesn't have to follow a constitution. If they don't like something they will make it illegal.

Good Point.

So, for one, no we will not get 80 million euros of players for free in what will be one of footballs biggest financial dodges in history.

You only give the most ridiculous examples. No, Juve will not give us Pogba for free. No, we won't get 80 Million Euro worth of players for free.

But is there an opportunity to exploit this "loan deal loophole" in ffp, or otherwise take advantage of having a co-owned club outside of UEFA's jurisdiction? That remains to be seen.

For example, if Inter sign Toure for 3 years at 6m/yr, and he flops, maybe Inter send him to Jiangsu and avoid keeping his wages on the books for the remainder of his (now undesirable) contract.

You honestly think that would be "blatantly corrupt"? I don't, and I don't think UEFA would, either.

For two, we only have one non EU slot left and we are still very actively pursuing non eu players.
Good point.
 

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No. Your toure example there would be absolutely fine. I was focusing on the possibility of the Chinese club spending the cash on transfer fees and then loaning us players where we pay their full salary so we don't have to write down player values on our books with respect to ffp. The toure example you give is perfectly plausible and fine.

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Just to say also I've never said anything about pogba going to us on loan but rather pogba just leaving Juventus on loan.
 

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UEFA rules give us no problem to get for example Teixeira for 1m now + 20m in 2019 like Miranda, Eder, Jovetic deals!

for example Kovacic is a good player and can go on loan at Juve with that rule!
 

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If we had an obligation to redeem that would probably be fine. There would probably still be fair value discussion if he was depreciated so heavily though as it still looks like a subsidised loan at that point.
 

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is kovacic as important to his real madrid team as pogba is to juve though? to compete with that it would be like real loaning ronaldo out
 

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^ if Real M own PSG yes for Ronaldo ;)


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Zhang: "With Suning Inter could grow in the Serie A"

Inter and Suning's main objective is too aim high. Zhang Jindong, arrived at Inter with clear intentions, to help Inter get back to their winning ways. Chinese manage Economic Observer, underlines the strategies Suning followed. According to this weekly magazine Suning chose the 6th of June on purpose, only four days before Euro kick-off, perfect timing for the Asian market as most Asian fans follow European football. Also Zhang sees a correlation between Inter's and Suning's growth.

Zhang also followed other Chinese partners who invested in European clubs like Atletico Madrid, Granada and Aston Villa. According to Zhang, European clubs, especially Italian football should follow the NBA model: "Sports industries need strong leagues. If there are more foreign investors in Italy, Serie A's level will increase. It all depends on those who invest."

Suning's financial year was not the best as in 2015 they suffered a loss of nearly 80 million Euro. 2016 will end on the same note. However this should not worry Inter and it's fans as their accounts are solid enough to generate real cash. Suning might also use private investments to improve Inter's finances and dip into the transfer market."

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A Chinese footballer to Inter in 3-4 years

In 3-4 years a chinese footballer will join Inter. Gazzetta dello Sport claim Suning's strategies to increase the local football awarenes and Steven Zhang, Jindong's son, will manage the deal.
 
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