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it matters? After all, you will in any case take the most trivial thing in the things I write and ignore everything that is not comfortable for you, just like you ignore the fact that our owners have not invested a penny in the club for 3 years and they live from loan to loan.
Bro, you've literally just said you dont want a sugar daddy, you want someone who can invest money into the club


THAT IS A SUGAR DADDY but you're fucking adamant it isnt

So, if it isnt, what is a sugar daddy?


like seriously, this isnt some fucking 500 IQ corporate finance argument, you've just completely contradicted yourself and its perfectly reasonable to ask you 'WHAT IS IT YOU ACTUALLY WANT'



If you'd bother reading the last 5 pages, you'd notice that our owners have invested 500 million + in our club in the last few years. You choosing not to believe in a fact doesnt mean the fact is incorrect. And I've just spent a whole fucking page explaining why, FOR INTER, whether the money is a loan, or cash from Zhang's bank account, is fucking irrelevant.
 

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What is clear that the new possible owner does not have to spend too much for at least 2 years. The team is intact, the coach is great, and revenues would be up with club world cup next year. We don't have a crazy payroll, great midfield, solid defense and good forward department. A few more signings and ready to go.
 

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itd explain why everyone argues with me so much

"We dont want a sugar daddy, I just want someone with deep pockets who can keep injecting cash into the club"
Nope, never said that. I actually think that suning were very good owners, but I cant ignore their financial situation and the limits they have because they are from china.

So yes, if the club have debts and financial issues, I would like owner that can handle it himself and won't be depending on loans. That's all.
 

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Nope, never said that. I actually think that suning were very good owners, but I cant ignore their financial situation and the limits they have because they are from china.

So yes, if the club have debts and financial issues, I would like owner that can handle it himself and won't be depending on loans. That's all.
but the loans dont make any difference to Inter.... It's like me telling you I dont wanna hang out with you because you have a credit card. It's none of my business and has 0 impact on my life. The club's debts are caused by the club, NOT THE OWNERSHIP. I cant be any fucking clearer on that point. Inter spends more money than it makes. Please get that through your skull.


Anyway, this is *slightly* tangential,

"People here don't want sugar daddy, they want owners that can inject money to the club without loans."

What is a sugar daddy, in that case, if not someone who is injecting cash into the club (and, as a more restricted definition since you seem to care about the source of their money - from their own pockets)?
 

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No Italian club will get a sugar daddy owner. Not even Juve. This league ain’t profitable anymore. I’m perfectly fine with the Finnish dude. He seems like he wants to own the club and won’t bleed us dry, while remaining financially feasible. People gotta lay the Saudi dreams to bed. Best possible scenario is an owner like Zhang who cares but isn’t relying on fuck funds from random businesses to stay afloat.
 

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but the loans dont make any difference to Inter.... It's like me telling you I dont wanna hang out with you because you have a credit card. It's none of my business and has 0 impact on my life. The club's debts are caused by the club, NOT THE OWNERSHIP. I cant be any fucking clearer on that point. Inter spends more money than it makes. Please get that through your skull.


Anyway, this is *slightly* tangential,

"People here don't want sugar daddy, they want owners that can inject money to the club without loans."

What is a sugar daddy, in that case, if not someone who is injecting cash into the club (and, as a more restricted definition since you seem to care about the source of their money - from their own pockets)?
Man, just because you wrote something down doesn't mean I have to agree with you and it doesn't mean it's the truth. Is the loan not related to the club? It was taken because since the covid era, Zhang is unable to spend a worn penny. That is why we are in the current situation. Suning spent huge sums in the past, I didn't deny it and I won't say a bad word about them, but that was in the past. Their present is worrying because Suning has been losing money for years, the Chinese regime makes it very difficult to take money out of the country and Zhang himself is facing large lawsuits. So how can you ignore all this?

And again, everyone defines something differently, that doesn't mean you're right. I think the owner Sugar Dedi is Moratti, the owner of PSG or Manchester City, but there is a middle ground. The middle is an owner who is not financially limited. that's it.
 

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Adding on to that, people have been calling for Zhangs head for years why is he suddenly our savior? Marotta ain’t going anywhere he’s got a contract for a few years and is retiring at this level. He’s said as much. Zanetti ain’t going anywhere, Ausilio has been here for years and will replace Marotta full time soon, and Inzaghi ain’t going anywhere. People need to stop worrying. Everything will be okay boys!
 

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All of those points you highlighted, though, what relevance does that have to the day to day running of Inter? Everything you've said there is a Zhang/Suning concern, NOT an Inter concern.

None. The main Inter concern is what our P&L looks like at the end of the year, and whether our owners expect us to sell to cover it (plusvalenza), cut costs to reduce it (decrease squad quality), or invests capital to cover it. The rest of it is irrelevant excuses.

Inter as a club still loses money every year, and with a different owner, they'd still have to inject money into the club every year. Inter's biggest problem is not our ownership, its that our team costs more to run than it makes.



"The middle is an owner who is not financially limited. that's it."

How the fk is an owner who ISNT financially limited NOT a sugar daddy? I'm sorry but this is the most ridiculous definition I've ever read!

You're still looking for a sugar daddy, just not "as big" a sugar daddy as some other clubs have!



Any new owner is still going to have to spend, ontop of buying the club, minimum of like 100-200mil just to keep the club afloat over the next few years, and ideally, probably more like 400mil to clear the bonds. Anyone who can afford to inject in that kind of cash is by definition a sugar daddy, irrespective of their source of financing.
 

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You are on the tilt of nerves and the level of discussion with you is embarrassingly shallow. Your disregard for anything that doesn't suit you is embarrassing as well.
 

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You are on the tilt of nerves and the level of discussion with you is embarrassingly shallow. Your disregard for anything that doesn't suit you is embarrassing as well.
You keep saying stuff like that as if it gets away from the fact that your definition of 'not a sugar daddy' was, frankly, fucking retarded. Most of what I've posted above is objective fact, its not even opinion. Again, your lack of understanding of the facts doesn't invalidate them.
 

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You keep saying stuff like that as if it gets away from the fact that your definition of 'not a sugar daddy' was, frankly, fucking retarded. Most of what I've posted above is objective fact, its not even opinion.
Whatever makes you feel good bro.
 

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Whatever makes you feel good bro.
what makes me feel good tonight is watching you say you dont want a sugar daddy, you just want someone who can inject cash into the club without any financial limitations.
 

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what makes me feel good tonight is watching you say you dont want a sugar daddy, you just want someone who can inject cash into the club without any financial constraint.
Such a good boy.
 

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Such a good boy.
im such a good boy, will you give me my pocket money please? I dont want a sugar daddy, I just want you to give me money without any financial constraint :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 

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Man, just because you wrote something down doesn't mean I have to agree with you and it doesn't mean it's the truth. Is the loan not related to the club? It was taken because since the covid era, Zhang is unable to spend a worn penny. That is why we are in the current situation. Suning spent huge sums in the past, I didn't deny it and I won't say a bad word about them, but that was in the past. Their present is worrying because Suning has been losing money for years, the Chinese regime makes it very difficult to take money out of the country and Zhang himself is facing large lawsuits. So how can you ignore all this?

And again, everyone defines something differently, that doesn't mean you're right. I think the owner Sugar Dedi is Moratti, the owner of PSG or Manchester City, but there is a middle ground. The middle is an owner who is not financially limited. that's it.
Can you understand the simple fact that Zhangs have poured money into Inter also for the past 3 years? That is a fact, proven by the club's financial statements. All the losses Inter are making each year, they are covered by the owner. If that is not injecting money into the club, then what is it?

You just want sugar daddy which puts even MORE money into the club. We get it.

That wasn't Zhang's target. Zhang's target was to make the club survive on its own. As said, we're not super far from that, which is a great achievement by the club management. But it's also thanks to Zhangs who have supported this process by accepting the target will be achieved gradually, not in one big bang. Gradual movement towards self-financing have allowed the club management to build a sporting project which now won the Scudetto finally, but won other trophies along the way.

The troubles what Zhang family has, haven't been touching Inter in a sense that they have still put in money into the club (but always the self-financing target in mind). Step by step, we're close to achieving that. I can't be sad about the club trying to get to that kind of position financially. But to do that while being successful sporting-wise, that's just great stuff.
 

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So, 1 of top 5-6 European clubs, current champion of Italy would be on sale for 1 billion, more or less. I wonder who the buyer is. Most likely a rich guy or some consortium of well to do people that buying the club for prestige, in my opinion. It's like buying work of expensive art to brag at the parties. As long as no totalitarian regimes are part of the deal, I'm ok with all other possibilities. Americans have money too, but they are not passionate enough to run the club.
 

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To make matters even more interesting. Oaktree hired former Agnelli's right hand. 13 years at Juve. As a spokeperson.

Now. Shall I start wearing my tin foil hat?
 

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To make matters even more interesting. Oaktree hired former Agnelli's right hand. 13 years at Juve. As a spokeperson.

Now. Shall I start wearing my tin foil hat?
Heh.
 
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