The Suning Commerce Group

[cloudq]

Milk what exactly?

If anything, Inter's been milking him, to the tune of at least 800 million euros

 

[Adriano@10]

Steven at the shareholders meeting still talking like there is no intention fromm suning to sell...
Not that he would disclose such a thing but he insisted on sunings long term plan for inter...
here s the quote: Steven Zhang: "The club's future has never been in question and our vision for Inter is crystal clear. Our commitment is long term, to guarantee a future that is in line with the club's illustrious history.

Then again one could interpret this as them just searching for the right buyer.

 

[bubba zanetti]

Hope we dont qualify for next season CL if that will force Suning to sell. Their vision of Inter is to sell our best players every fkn mercato. Just fuck off!

 

[Adriano@10]

Hope we dont qualify for next season CL if that will force Suning to sell. Their vision of Inter is to sell our best players every fkn mercato. Just fuck off!

Again thats just not true... Since suning arrived we did this once, when we sold hakimi and lukaku...
Other than that i dont think we ever sold our best player.....

Also us missing out on CL will lower the chances of suning finding a buyer plus it will make our financial situation even more precarious thus increase the chances of us having to sell a top player no matter who the owner is.....

Only thing that is sure if we miss CL is that we re gonna struggle even more now why would a inter fan want that?

 

[Il Drago]

Again thats just not true... Since suning arrived we did this once, when we sold hakimi and lukaku...
Other than that i dont think we ever sold our best player.....

There are two periods under Suning that shouldn't be taken as one. Pre August 2020 and after August 2020. They are two different projects.

The second one includes cost cutting, lowering wage bill and making substantial profit from transfer market in order to cover the loses.

We avoided a repeat of 2021 last summer because we got 40m for two youngsters, Pinamonti and Casadei. But we can't expect it to happen every summer. Our academy isn't at the level of Ajax for example to bring substantial profit year in year out. Selling top players is inevitable under Suning.

Even today both Zhang and Marotta said we will consider any offers for our players and player trading is the way to go. As long as Suning stay 2021 summer won't be the exception but the norm.

 

[Corrode]

in addition, zhang/suning itself milked 250 million euros from hongkong creditors to fund Inter?

 

[bubba zanetti]

There are two periods under Suning that shouldn't be taken as one. Pre August 2020 and after August 2020. They are two different projects.

The second one includes cost cutting, lowering wage bill and making substantial profit from transfer market in order to cover the loses.

We avoided a repeat of 2021 last summer because we got 40m for two youngsters, Pinamonti and Casadei. But we can't expect it to happen every summer. Our academy isn't at the level of Ajax for example to bring substantial profit year in year out. Selling top players is inevitable under Suning.

Even today both Zhang and Marotta said we will consider any offers for our players and player trading is the way to go. As long as Suning stay 2021 summer won't be the exception but the norm.

I just cant believe there are still Inter fans that want this shit to continue. January mercato where whole month they are trying to sell Skriniar?? Or next summer where our owner wont give a nickel for reinforcements. And over and over again. Like last four mercatos. Cuts, loses, cuts, loses, and so on and on.. So, my guess is that either these "fans" are Suning commerce plants who are just here to defend these fuckers .. Or they are Von Sacher-Masoch descendants. Idk what to add anymore on this subject.

 

[crzdcolombian]

I just love how people think the new owner will magically be better.

Like regardless whoever comes in needs to cut wages and stop hemorrhaging money.

We need a stadium which will take years.

Most important things we can do with new owners or not is resign Skriniar and De Vrij. Also buy Acerbi who has been pretty good.

At that point do our best to keep Skriniar, Barella and Lautaro.

I mean for me Bastoni was untouchable but if we keep this coach then sell him for 60 million with Acerbi taking that spot for a year.

Brozo is our engine but is 30 if we can get a crazy offer from psg or a epl team then maybe make the sacrifice.

Hopefully not buying Lukaku as that would totally fk us financially.

 

[Il Drago]

Three sources familiar with the matter have told Reuters Goldman Sachs and U.S. boutique bank Raine, which managed Chelsea's sale earlier this year, are working to tap potential suitors for the loss-making Serie A side.

At least two U.S. investors expressed interest in buying out the club recently, two of the people said, without providing further details.

Inter Milan's owner is seeking a valuation of at least 1.2 billion euros, the people added.

Soccer Inter Milan president says top investor committed to club long term

Inter Milan president Steven Zhang said on Friday that Chinese top investor Suning has committed long-term to the side and played down suggestions that the Serie A club could be sold.

www.reuters.com

 

[Corrode]

I just love how people think the new owner will magically be better.

Like regardless whoever comes in needs to cut wages and stop hemorrhaging money.

We need a stadium which will take years.

Most important things we can do with new owners or not is resign Skriniar and De Vrij. Also buy Acerbi who has been pretty good.

At that point do our best to keep Skriniar, Barella and Lautaro.

I mean for me Bastoni was untouchable but if we keep this coach then sell him for 60 million with Acerbi taking that spot for a year.

Brozo is our engine but is 30 if we can get a crazy offer from psg or a epl team then maybe make the sacrifice.

Hopefully not buying Lukaku as that would totally fk us financially.

Acerbi is shit as LCB. it's obvious from Fiorentina match. He lost the position against Ikone from right side. We could see Zhang/Suning commitment bullshit is real if they extend Bastoni and Skriniar soon. zhang/suning could sell the rest if they want.

 

[Adriano@10]

There are two periods under Suning that shouldn't be taken as one. Pre August 2020 and after August 2020. They are two different projects.

The second one includes cost cutting, lowering wage bill and making substantial profit from transfer market in order to cover the loses.

We avoided a repeat of 2021 last summer because we got 40m for two youngsters, Pinamonti and Casadei. But we can't expect it to happen every summer. Our academy isn't at the level of Ajax for example to bring substantial profit year in year out. Selling top players is inevitable under Suning.

Even today both Zhang and Marotta said we will consider any offers for our players and player trading is the way to go. As long as Suning stay 2021 summer won't be the exception but the norm.

Still not correct to say their vision is to sell our best players every summer....
Like do people understand that the alternative to us selling players to finance this club will be bankruptcy?
Selling our top players is inventable in our current situation no matter the owner unless somebody comes in and relieves us of all our debt plus he d probably have to inject another 100 mio to keep us afloat for the next 2 year....

I just dont think that narrative of suning wanting to sell our top players to make money helps anybody as it s just plain wrong...

Also characterizing suning taking a loan from a third party with part of their inter shares as a collateral, as milking money from anybody is just ridiculose especially when the whole sum went directly into Inter.

Bottom line what does it help to make suning look shittier than they are? Cause what happened is that they cannot put in additional funds into Inter cause of the CCP and their financial situation. They never took money out of inter quite the opposite, it s just that the inflow from them was stopped.

Also theres a quite big chance that who ever our next owner is will go forward with the exact same strategy.

 

[pazza moratti]

I don’t mind if we continue with Suning, if we can’t find a better owner?

We are getting closer to be self-sufficient and we have good opportunity to make some wage cuts next summer as many contracts are ending.

We have promising players like Satriano, Agoume, Brazao who might get a change? There are also good free agents next summer like Bensebaini, Grimaldo, Singo, Scalvini and we might see Gosens and Dumfries sold? We can also make some loan deals to keep our team competitive.

If we get one big sale like Bastoni or Lautaro, we might see more activity next summer.

But key thing is to continue increasing our revenues like Suning has done and we need to get top 4. I hope our current succes by beating Barcelona at CL will be beneficial to get us a new main sponsor?

 

[.h.]

Satriano - 1 goal in 10 games for Empoli
Lucien Agoume - he's played 3 games for Troyes, not even in the squad the last 4 games.
Brazao has conceded 13 goals in 10 games in La Liga 2


Sorry, but these are not the level of guys who get the chance at Inter yet.

 

[Il Drago]

Still not correct to say their vision is to sell our best players every summer....
Like do people understand that the alternative to us selling players to finance this club will be bankruptcy?
Selling our top players is inventable in our current situation no matter the owner unless somebody comes in and relieves us of all our debt plus he d probably have to inject another 100 mio to keep us afloat for the next 2 year....

I just dont think that narrative of suning wanting to sell our top players to make money helps anybody as it s just plain wrong...

Also characterizing suning taking a loan from a third party with part of their inter shares as a collateral, as milking money from anybody is just ridiculose especially when the whole sum went directly into Inter.

Bottom line what does it help to make suning look shittier than they are? Cause what happened is that they cannot put in additional funds into Inter cause of the CCP and their financial situation. They never took money out of inter quite the opposite, it s just that the inflow from them was stopped.

Also theres a quite big chance that who ever our next owner is will go forward with the exact same strategy.

Wow. Hold on a second. I never said any of those things. Club is bleeding money like crazy so there's no milking. As for their vision, it was taking Inter back to European elite but that vision ended in 2020. Now they're just trying to survive and take Inter as closest to self financing as possible. As for the policy towards selling players it doesn't make a big difference if they want to sell our best players (they don't) or they're forced to do it. At the end of the day the only thing that matters is club needs to raise money from sales every summer and that's our reality now with Suning.

 

[Adriano@10]

Wow. Hold on a second. I never said any of those things. Club is bleeding money like crazy so there's no milking. As for their vision, it was taking Inter back to European elite but that vision ended in 2020. Now they're just trying to survive and take Inter as closest to self financing as possible. As for the policy towards selling players it doesn't make a big difference if they want to sell our best players (they don't) or they're forced to do it. At the end of the day the only thing that matters is club needs to raise money from sales every summer and that's our reality now with Suning.

You did not but bubba did....
Also yes it makes a huge fucken difference if the owner wants to sell players (make a profit) or if the owner has to sell players to keep the club a float....
I also have to disagree on your second point how are we not still trying to get closer to europes elite? Yes we re trying to do it within our means but we re still trying. Cutting costs and getting a lot closer to break even would have been a lot easier if suning just said fuck it and went low cost after covid hit, they did not.
Could have easily pulled a BBIlan and lose all our best players in very short time span again we did not do this.

Btw this does not mean i dont want other owners. I just think it s funny sometimes how fans argue around ownership and how completly false narratives just persist within the fan base.

 

[.h.]

I think its a bit unfair to say that vision has ended. We're still looking to generally achieve the same thing, just in a more careful manner. No more stupid contracts for Vidal, Sanchez, etc, but instead work on developing a core of Inter that can be relied on for a while, using a manager who we (hopefully) believe in and can develop with us, and start to adjust our cost basis down to a team that is R16-level in the CL. From there, we can build on it.

 

[vex]

Also yes it makes a huge fucken difference if the owner wants to sell players (make a profit) or if the owner has to sell players to keep the club a float....

And why exactly they have to sell players to keep a club a float? Do you maybe think we sacrificed our future back when we hired conte and spend huge amounts of money on signings knowing full well we didn't have a financial groundwork to make that sort of commitment, and relying solely on super league coming into existence? And now we are paying for all of that. That's all on zhang and suning if you ask me. And yes pandemic fucked us, but I think we would be in a big problem even without pandemic, given our current debt.

What happened here is really simple imo, suning was entering several years into their ownership without anything to show for except for cl qualification, they wanted to speed things up and made a huge risk with conte, which tbh to them paid off in the end but at what cost? Cost of next five years fearing for our best players being sold and pointing to that one title we won as justifying all of that?

I don't think the prize and consequences of that prize are nowhere near proportional, especially when you see what milan did with their resources. So in short, they need to fuck off...

 

[.h.]

because of Suning, we're back in the CL. We won the title. We broke the Juve spell of dominance, and are causing them serious financial difficulties because of it. We've got the foundations in our team now to be successful for a while. We just need to improve our sponsorship situation, and we can be reasonably healthy in an operational sense. The debt does obviously worry me, and everyone, but I think we've got a great basis for a new owner to come in, wipe the debt, and build a reasonably high quality competitive side.

Or would you rather be in 7th still with probably Diego Costa leading our team out on the pitch and just signing shit players on long term contracts still? Cuz Suning broke that cycle.

 

[vex]

because of Suning, we're back in the CL. We won the title. We broke the Juve spell of dominance, and are causing them serious financial difficulties because of it. We've got the foundations in our team now to be successful for a while. We just need to improve our sponsorship situation, and we can be reasonably healthy in an operational sense. The debt does obviously worry me, and everyone, but I think we've got a great basis for a new owner to come in, wipe the debt, and build a reasonably high quality competitive side.

Or would you rather be in 7th still with probably Diego Costa leading our team out on the pitch and just signing shit players on long term contracts still? Cuz Suning broke that cycle.

Again, at what cost we did all that? I would be willing to sacrifice one year for the one title won, maybe even two if we were to immediately head in the right direction, but this shit is way too much for my patience, it just isn't worth it when you take into account that there is no end in sight for our current predicament.

And the argument that we would be 7th in this league without suning is the biggest load of bullshit when you see what milan did with their project.

 

[Il Drago]

Again, at what cost we did all that? I would be willing to sacrifice one year for the one title won, maybe even two if we were to immediately head in the right direction, but this shit is way too much for my patience, it just isn't worth it when you take into account that there is no end in sight for our current predicament.

And the argument that we would be 7th in this league without suning is the biggest load of bullshit when you see what milan did with their project.

We were 4th in the league the season before Suning takeover. And it took 3 seasons and insane amount of cash for Suning to beat that.