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If new movies and series are quality to you than I am definitely out of this discussion. Utter crap. Look just this year movies nominated for oscars. Hillarious. Power of dog? Dogshit movie. But you have lgbt character there so expect some oscars there, doesn't matter that movie is dull and boring. Brokeback mountain was cinematic masterpiece compared to this crap. It had story, top acting and directing. Dont worry you'll see how good will be this lotr series. It will be crap. Galadriel in this abomination is warrior like Brienne Tarth? Roflmao! Its just cause it must be woke in your face. It must have woman that is hero and stronger than any other species. And I love heroine in movies, Ripley, Sarah Connor and so on but man, those movies were great, on all levels. This is just propaganda with bunch of cgi, bad story and just plain politics, nothing else. Swap gender, races, its all farce. Denzel Washington is Macbeth, king of Scotland😂😂whats next? Maybe Eddie Murphy as JFK? Dont worry Oswald will be potrayed by some white dude, maybe Tim Blake Nelson or Stephen Dorff, thats how Hollywood works today. Fuck woke. It sucks man, really hard.
You're just afraid you'll get a crush on a girl in a movie who in real life is a dude with a cock.
 

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Even artists want a fair chance at role selection. The western world is sooo white and some people want to help bridge some gaps in a fully racist world. You'll survive a black elf if the LOTR series is good. If it won't, fuck it, wokeness won't be the biggest reason why the show isn't good (which I fully believe already looks bad)

The "western world" is a white thing, so I don't see how portraying its actors as white is a problem or... racism(?) of any sort. The BBC portraying Achilles and Aeneas as black men is okay? Not racist from their part?

I agree on what you said about the movies being 'too white' but the only objection there was with the Hobbits. Not the main Hobbits of course, but the rest of them, which make up the majority in Tolkien's world, did not make an appearance. Neither they did in the Hobbit trilogy. Those Hobbits should have been portrayed as darker skinned individuals but we did not see that at any moment when the core group were around other Hobbits.

The Haradrim were portrayed as black/dark brown skinned, as it should have been.
The Corsairs were a combination of black and white people, but we only got a look of one ship iirc, which were almost exclusively white, so perhaps that's another one.
Maybe the Orcs/Goblins were made more monstrous than they were described as.


Everything else in the LOTR was based on canon. Elves being anything other than what Tolkien described them as is an offense to the writing. Dwarves on the other hand weren't really described in terms of appearance and the new series could have been much more liberal about them and decide that 1 or more of the subraces would look a different way and no one would bat an eyelid. Give us a black Dwarf tribe and no one would mind.


It's also a fantasy novel written ages ago by a person who's no longer alive. I don't see the same being said about the Harry Potter series which were created some 20 years ago by a "woke" novelist (or is she "cancelled" now?) who casted everyone white in the film adaptations.
As much as you want to shout equality and everything, you have to respect that stuff like history and even mythology will look awkward if you deviate from the contemporary norm. And if you wanna talk about hurting feelings or whatever when you "exclude" role options etc, why are you okay with risking doing this to the majority of your target group?


On comic books and superpowers etc, those aren't so touchy issues because what makes them alive and cool is the superpowers, not the body they're in. Completely separate issue.

P.S: The "300" cartooned movies were cringe as fuck and their portrayal of the Persians was laughable to say the least. The Spartans as well. But that's how the 'creator' of the comics decided to portray them, so there's also that...
 
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Characters should be portrayed as they are described or drawn in their source material. People just want to see the characters and stories they enjoy to be accurate to what they know and love. It shouldn't be hard, imagine they made a new Spawn movie and they casted a white actor to play Spawn but the "script and acting was good". That wouldn't matter because they got the most obvious thing wrong.
 

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Can you find and reference the colour of skin of every Silmarrion character? We only equate everybody with white skin because the anglosaxons and vikings were white, and Lotr reminds us most about that era in human history. Everything about it - all of us just assume.

I am perfectly fine if all the characters are white or if half the cast is black, really doesn't make that big of a difference for me. Let's reserve the talk about SJW wokeness until we see the series for ourselves.

So I'll leave the thread since I seem to be in minority and I am not gonna argue semantics about fantasy vs superhero movies ... That's just silly to me.
 

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I dont have any problem if they implement few new characters of color in a story like this, what i have problem with is they throw modern day problems into the core of story/script, just follow the lore/story that one of, if not the best writers of fantasy wrote and you have a gem of a show. It's not that hard.

Where were these dwarfes living before they went into the mines? In the mythology of elves, do they only have white colored animals too? If not, how did they develop other colors? Did a witch cast a coloring spell on them? Do all elves have white hair? Can elves develop Melanism?? Do they have deserts in elven world?

I have so many questions.
Dwarves in Tolkien universe were made by god of mountains,caves,earth,craft, coz he wanted someone to learn from him, and were placed under the mountain to sleep before they were awoken by main guy Eru Iluvatar. So you can assume they rarely came outside, they were driven to dig deep inside of mountains, look for gold, jewels all kind of shiny things, craft and build under the earth. I do believe there are deserts in Tolkien universe but elves dont live there, there are humans there and they are POC.
 

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Peaky Blinders final season is now available on BBC, uk.

I am re-watching all the seasons from the start, nearly finished 1 - thought it was best to rewatch to the very end and fully take it in.
 
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Anyone watched the new serie Valhalla? Same woke bullshit for me and imo Vikings was way and way better than this shit. (still watched the whole season but still).
 

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Anyone watched the new serie Valhalla? Same woke bullshit for me and imo Vikings was way and way better than this shit. (still watched the whole season but still).
It's on my watchlist for after Peaky is finished so probably start watching it in a week or 2, I am VERY excited to start this, it looks right down my street.

I think Vikings the Ragnar/Rollo story and then Ivar the boneless real life history/myth will always be hard to beat, so I am trying not to compare it to this show when I do get around to watching it.

For example the Last Kingdom was absolutely fantastic.
 

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It's on my watchlist for after Peaky is finished so probably start watching it in a week or 2, I am VERY excited to start this, it looks right down my street.

I think Vikings the Ragnar/Rollo story and then Ivar the boneless real life history/myth will always be hard to beat, so I am trying not to compare it to this show when I do get around to watching it.

For example the Last Kingdom was absolutely fantastic.
It's still a good serie but yeah beating Vikings will be very hard to do. But then I will say no more and wait for you to watch it.

Last Kingdom is indeed amazing. Quite nice to see all these Vikingsseries on Netflix. Now I'm waiting for the season season of Barbarians.
 

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Anyone watched the new serie Valhalla? Same woke bullshit for me and imo Vikings was way and way better than this shit. (still watched the whole season but still).
I thought it was really good! Really enjoyed it, compared to the last two seasons of vikings it's much better. Lots of interesting characters again and Emma of Normandy is a babe!

The woke bullshit, I'm guessing you mean one character only? Didn't really bother me at all.

Haven't watched the last kingdom but yeah barbarians was great
 

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I thought it was really good! Really enjoyed it, compared to the last two seasons of vikings it's much better. Lots of interesting characters again and Emma of Normandy is a babe!

The woke bullshit, I'm guessing you mean one character only? Didn't really bother me at all.

Haven't watched the last kingdom but yeah barbarians was great
If you like Valhalla and Barbarians then you really should watch Last Kingdom!

Yeah we talking about the same one. It didn't really bother me to much ( a friend of mine stopped watching after that character came into the serie) but it was done purely for the woke bullshit imo.
 

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If you like Valhalla and Barbarians then you really should watch Last Kingdom!

Yeah we talking about the same one. It didn't really bother me to much ( a friend of mine stopped watching after that character came into the serie) but it was done purely for the woke bullshit imo.
I must give it a go. Watching valhalla reminded me of how much I love a good viking show. Looking forward to the northman later this year
 

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The last kingdom just dropped a new season...

So much to watch!!!
 

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Barbarians first season was great, I liked that they were speaking Latin/German. I read that they'll release the second season this year in Autumn/Winter, they started filming it in Krakow in September last year.
 

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Barbarians first season was great, I liked that they were speaking Latin/German. I read that they'll release the second season this year in Autumn/Winter, they started filming it in Krakow in September last year.
If only it was proper Latin and not that Erasmian distortion.

I stumbled upon a tv show called How I met your Father. Not recommended. It's a horrendous spin-off sequelite of How I met your Mother. Same recipe, worse acting, even worst premise. But Hillary Duff looking hot at MILF age :D
 

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If only it was proper Latin and not that Erasmian distortion.
Yeah maybe, but hard to be 100% accurate when the Germanic tribes are speaking modern German fluently to begin with. Their dialogue would be rudimentary otherwise or non-existent.
 

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You're just afraid you'll get a crush on a girl in a movie who in real life is a dude with a cock.

Haha someone sent me a video of someone in different stages of a sex change both ways….

Like if it can make a man look like that why aren’t we giving those same pills to actual women haha

Or the pills that make a tiny chick muscular with a full on beard to bitch ass dudes who can’t grow one.

I also think it’s odd to go hey look at this guy who got 100k plus in work done to look like a passable woman. It’s fkd up to say they aren’t attractive now or to mention yea… someone spends 100k + 1 years taking pills to look better they will actually look better
 
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