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Was their failling inter's fault?


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Last moves confirming that:

1. To buy Motta when you have Muntari, J.Zanetti, Cambiasso, Stanković and Vieira for that places are stupid move. Plus Chivu can play there if needs because we have enough defenders.

Disagree. Motta offers different abilities than any of the named players and although him alone won't change much, he is a clear step forward. We all know our midfield has been a problem and Motta can only help it get better unless something happens to him. Chivu is ok as a midfielder, nothing more. Motta > Chivu in midfield.

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2. To buy Milito when you aren't sure how your attack will look in next season. Milito is very good player but I am 100% sure that Eto'o and Cassano are more compatible together from Eto'o-Milito.

These are assumptions. Saying it was a mistake to buy Milito is not fair at this point. Most probably he will score lots of goals for us.

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3. To accept Ibra-Eto'o exchange when you already have Diego Milito was very dumb. He should wait that Barca sell Eto'o to Manchester City or United and than sell Ibra for money. Again Milito-Cassano is much better from Milito-Eto'o.

Again, all assumptions. Plus saying it was as easy as "letting Eto'o go to Man U and then get more money for Ibra" is strange. We have no guarantees that Man U or City would go for him and Barcelona would probably never have paid 75-80m cash for Ibra. Eto'o and Milito are both great purchases.

To me it seems you are losing a grip of which players we are actually talking about in order to make a point about the management.

As others have said, the President doesn't run everything alone. And saying Facchetti > Moratti serves no purpose, since Giacinto is not an option anymore.
 

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Again, all assumptions. Plus saying it was as easy as "letting Eto'o go to Man U and then get more money for Ibra" is strange. We have no guarantees that Man U or City would go for him and Barcelona would probably never have paid 75-80m cash for Ibra. Eto'o and Milito are both great purchases.

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Man city did go for him. He told them to take a hike.
 

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Ok maybe scrap Simic out of that list, but the rest have put in over 100 appearances for us, so I think we should be pretty grateful for that.

You failed to comment on my thoughts of the shitty signings by Facchetti, what is your opinion on that subject?

So if someone have 100 appearances for some club that makes him a legend?

Bad signings<Good signings---Fachetti era

How do you know with which transfers he was involved more, and with which he was involved less ?

Maybe Giacinto was involved with all the bad transfers, not with good ones. I'm not sure, but it seems to me you are. (??)

OK, so it's by actiend that we made so many good moves when he was on board. So much cheap and quality singings in such a shot period?

How I know? I don't. I know that after he's gone we didn't make two quality moves on transfer market and that's a fact.


R.Carlos was good as lw at inter but he wanted to play at lb and inter felt he was better as a lw. That's why he left. The club would have liked to keep him.

Bergkamp had nothing to do with inter. He couldn't come to grips with the italian culture. He would have failed anywhere in Italy.
Seedorf was inconsistent at madrid as well. He has also had his up and down campaigns at milan.
Pirlo was played in a different position where he was poor. He still sucks as a amc and can only play as a deep playmaker.

If those talents were so great they would have succeeded at another club but yet none of them have done a thing.

R.Carlos wants to be left back and Inter didn't alow him to play that role. That's absurd. Moratti wanted old star Zamorano, he have some fetish for old washed up players. Anyone remember Veron and Batistuta?

Bergkamp is a storry that I can acept.

Seedorf was midllefield general and we gave him for Guly, neough said. Don't talk about his incostitency please, he was UEFA Champions League Best Midfielder: 2006-07.

Pirlo, no coment.



Disagree. Motta offers different abilities than any of the named players and although him alone won't change much, he is a clear step forward. We all know our midfield has been a problem and Motta can only help it get better unless something happens to him. Chivu is ok as a midfielder, nothing more. Motta > Chivu in midfield.

He's very small step forward. Our midlefielers can't run fast and they can't dictate tempo, they can't dribble and they can't give good long balls. Motta can't do that stuff either. He can jump, he can run and he can shoot the ball, just like Stanković, Muntari and Vieira. Maybe he have little more flair but we need much much more.

I agree that he can help but we need more, we need Fabregas type of middlefieler.


These are assumptions. Saying it was a mistake to buy Milito is not fair at this point. Most probably he will score lots of goals for us.

Again, all assumptions. Plus saying it was as easy as "letting Eto'o go to Man U and then get more money for Ibra" is strange. We have no guarantees that Man U or City would go for him and Barcelona would probably never have paid 75-80m cash for Ibra. Eto'o and Milito are both great purchases.

Of course that's assumptions but valid assumptions. I say that mistake was to buy Eto'o when we have Milito. And I believe that Milito will score a lot of goals for us. I am sure that he would score even more with Cassao like his partner and with good no10 behind him.


Barcelona would probably never have paid 75-80m cash for Ibra.

Is that assumption or what? C.Ronaldo is 96 , Kaka 66 and Ibra isn't 75?

As others have said, the President doesn't run everything alone. And saying Facchetti > Moratti serves no purpose, since Giacinto is not an option anymore.

I agree but that Moratti (I really adore him for everything he has done in a past and for his love and everythin) but that man is jinxed or something.

And believe me, he can be gentlemen and everything but he's oil baron. He don't knows football very well, Fachetti was mastermind for game comparing with Moratti.
 

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R.Carlos wants to be left back and Inter didn't alow him to play that role. That's absurd. Moratti wanted old star Zamorano, he have some fetish for old washed up players. Anyone remember Veron and Batistuta?

Bergkamp is a storry that I can acept.

Seedorf was midllefield general and we gave him for Guly, neough said. Don't talk about his incostitency please, he was UEFA Champions League Best Midfielder: 2006-07.

Pirlo, no coment.

Seedorf was still in the side when guly was here. Most fans were happy when we exchanged seedorf for coco. Didn't work out but that's with hindsight.

Seedorf is insistent over a season. CL has 12/13 games max, he was inconsistent in the cl in 2006/2007. He was still inconsistent in the league. Seedorf has been better at milan than he was at both inter and real but he was and is still an inconsistent player.

Also this is getting way of topic and we should open a discussing about this in the general inter section and not ruin the rq thread.
 

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He's very small step forward. Our midlefielers can't run fast and they can't dictate tempo, they can't dribble and they can't give good long balls. Motta can't do that stuff either. He can jump, he can run and he can shoot the ball, just like Stanković, Muntari and Vieira. Maybe he have little more flair but we need much much more.

I agree that he can help but we need more, we need Fabregas type of middlefieler.

Motta is an improvement to our midfield. Him alone, as I said, is not enough, but he is a clear step forward. Motta is better at holding up the ball than any of our current midfielders and this is a step forward. He will also become our best long-range shooter with Stankovic.

Motta + Sneijder is way better than just Sneijder.

Hasan said:
Of course that's assumptions but valid assumptions. I say that mistake was to buy Eto'o when we have Milito. And I believe that Milito will score a lot of goals for us. I am sure that he would score even more with Cassao like his partner and with good no10 behind him.

I do not agree. Eto'o is a fantastic player plus he had to come to make the Ibra deal go through. Not a bad player-exchange, we basically got money and Eto'o.

Eto'o + Milito is way better than just Milito.

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Is that assumption or what? C.Ronaldo is 96 , Kaka 66 and Ibra isn't 75?

Laporta made a point of saying Real were destroying the market or something like that. Barcelona would never have paid straight cash for Ibra, they don't spend 70m+ on one player.
 

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Stefan:

I agree, it's off topic but how can you bash someone who was:

UEFA Champions League Best Midfielder: 2006-07.

And we need to discus about consistency. Our key players where C.Zanneti, Di Biagio, Killy, Vieira, Pizaro etc. I think he's better player from all of them.

He was inconsistent in Real Madrid, only fight with Mijatović left him out. On wiki we have this like individual award: Real Madrid Team of the Century: 2008

And in first year after Inter he was in UEFA Team of the Year: 2002


Motta + Sneijder is way better than just Sneijder.

Fabregas + Sneijder is way better than Motta plus Sneijder.
Hernanes + Sneijder is way better than Motta plus Sneijder.
Aquilani + Sneijder is way better than Motta plus Sneijder.

P.S: Aquilani in L'pool for 16 milions.


Eto'o + Milito is way better than just Milito.

Ibra-Milito is much better from Eto'o-Milito
Cassno-Milito is much compatible from Eto'o-Milito.

I really like attitude of Eto'o, I don't like him like a person but he's huge profesional and I hope he will succeed in Inter.

Laporta made a point of saying Real were destroying the market or something like that. Barcelona would never have paid straight cash for Ibra, they don't spend 70m+ on one player.

When someone give his best goalscorer plus 50 millions for other player... He should be really quiet.
 
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Fabregas + Sneijder is way better than Motta plus Sneijder.
Hernanes + Sneijder is way better than Motta plus Sneijder.
Aquilani + Sneijder is way better than Motta plus Sneijder.

P.S: Aquilani in L'pool for 16 milions.

Sure, but what's the point in bringing these players into the discussion? We have never been linked seriously to any of them. :confused:

Hasan said:
Ibra-Milito is much better from Eto'o-Milito
Cassno-Milito is much compatible from Eto'o-Milito.

I really like attitude of Eto'o, I don't like him like a person but he's huge profesional and I hope he will succeed in Inter.

Ibra was leaving anyway, nothing we could do about that. Yes, there are always better possible pairings but here you are complaining about Inter having Eto'o and Milito in the same squad...?

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When someone give his best goalscorer plus 50 millions for other player... He should be really quiet.

Irrelevant. He would never spend 70m cash, that's the point. Laporta had to put one player into the deal and Inter wanted Eto'o. There were no one else we could get and we had to take one because if not the deal would not go through.
 

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People are writing shit about motta without giving him a chance, incredible.
 
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Since the Quaresma thread was getting derailed I have opened a new thread and will be moving the posts here.
 

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I must disagree with the part about pirlo.He is actually good at amc and as a deep lying playmaker i watch him for Italy and sometimes he plays amc too and does fantastic

Which games?? I have seen virtually all of his games for italia and I don't recall one game as the amc.
 

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Dutch!! Every Dutch fails at Inter!!


Jokes aside, there is a huge difference between pre-Fachetti era (as a president) and post Fachetti era.

In pre era, we bought players just on the name value, regardless of the tactics. You don't field R.Carlos as a fullback in 442 flat, where one's defensive attribute is just as important as his offensive attributes, thus the fail. You don't expect Bargkamp to be the main scorer, another fail. etc.

In the Fachetti days, we bought the players we NEEDED in the formation. Screw name values, screw how cool your squad sounds in some random computer games or in youtubes, and actually those that fits into the formation.

Ofc, bothering to stick with one coach instead of changing every season did also help, since we didn't need to overhaul squad every season and buy replacements from whatever was availiable on the market. We could concentrate more on single positions.
Summer of 2007
D.Suazo, Rivas, Maniche, Chivu
8 goals by a sub striker is not bad. Rivas/Maniche was a temp filler for our mid/df wipe.
 
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I'm pretty sure Seedorf was swapped with Coco and not Guly. Considering how inconsistent Seedorf was and how badly we needed an LB at that time, it was a very sensible move. Obviously nothing is for certain and Milan got the better end of the deal but that doesn't mean that that swap decision was wrong.

I also think that it is unfair for us to be judging this summer's deals yet but I generally agree with Hasan's points.
 

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Isah Eliakwu comes to my mind. :( Never played for the first team though, where the hell is he now?
 

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Sure, but what's the point in bringing these players into the discussion? We have never been linked seriously to any of them. :confused:

True, we have never been linked with them and I consider that like Moratti's mistake. If we want to be on top than we must fight for top players. Especially now when we have money from Ibra.

Ibra was leaving anyway, nothing we could do about that. Yes, there are always better possible pairings but here you are complaining about Inter having Eto'o and Milito in the same squad...?

Yes I do, because that's unbalanced attack. I wanted Milito more from Cassano when we had Ibra from the same reason. Ibra-Cassano is equal to Milito-Eto'o

Perfect tack is one poacher and one support striker, that's my opinion.


Irrelevant. He would never spend 70m cash, that's the point. Laporta had to put one player into the deal and Inter wanted Eto'o. There were no one else we could get and we had to take one because if not the deal would not go through.

We wanted Eto'o, I don't think so but when Ibra decided to leave he was the safer bet at that moment.

Isah Eliakwu comes to my mind. :( Never played for the first team though, where the hell is he now?

I watched his situation closely in last couple of weeks. He was on trial in Hajduk Split and I think that he didn't passed. Very unfit, pace was his main strength but he was slower from Hajduk defenders so they decided not to sign him, just like Slavkovski last season.

VLE- very good, reasonable post.
Han- good point there too.
 

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How about we go back to basics?

What Facchetti was responsible for when it comes to transfers at Inter? Anybody ??
 

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In pre era, we bought players just on the name value, regardless of the tactics. You don't field R.Carlos as a fullback in 442 flat, where one's defensive attribute is just as important as his offensive attributes, thus the fail.

R.Carlos had no name value when we bought him...

And he wasn't fielded as a fullback, he was fielded as a left midfielder in a flat midfield.
 

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Hasan, still waiting for your comments on the signings of Burdisso, Ze Maria, Mihajlovic, Solari, Pizarro, Cesar...
 

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How about we go back to basics?

What Facchetti was responsible for when it comes to transfers at Inter? Anybody ??

Really? Back to beginning, I don't think so. Prove me that he wasn't responsible.

Hasan, still waiting for your comments on the signings of Burdisso, Ze Maria, Mihajlovic, Solari, Pizarro, Cesar...

I answered to you but I wil do it again.

In Fachetti era:

Good signings>>>>Bad signings

I Moratti's era:

Good signings<<<<Bad signings
 

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Really? Back to beginning, I don't think so. Prove me that he wasn't responsible.



I answered to you but I wil do it again.

In Fachetti era:

Good signings>>>>Bad signings

I Moratti's era:

Good signings<<<<Bad signings


I think this would be easier to see if you could list all of the signings that took place and group them under bad and good...
 

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I generally agree with Hasan as well....we were definitely much wiser during the Fachetti era. A lot of what we can achieve today is thanks to that period. A lot of the bad signings during Fachetti period cost very little but this cannot be said for Moratti's.

Coco, Seedorf, MORFEO!
 
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