Steven Zhang

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Thanks for everything Steve!

Credit it where it is due, he employed a management structure that has done wonders with a 0 budget for the last 2/3 years!! But he should have sold long before now, so I’m not saddened by the fact we’ll be taken over by force.
 

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His time has come and I think it's okay because it was his own mistake, but the hate here is ridiculous. Yeah, it was his mistake that he's going to lose his ownership. But at least, he managed to hire competent people and never tried to interfere with their work (except for financial decisions which is understandable), and that's the most important characteristics for a president, besides financial capability. Do you guys really want a guy like Chelsea owner?

People here just love to make fun of him for whatever reason. From calling him a nepo baby while Moratti is exactly the same (I respect Moratti for all his love and contribution, but come one, he came from a rich family just like Zhang), to making fun of his fashion style and even his cars. I'm pretty sure if a Western guy does the same shit, no one will ever complain about it, but hey, Zhang is Chinese, and that alone turns out an eyesore for some people.

I'm an Asian too so I understand that sometimes Western culture won't recognize us, but please show some fair treatment at least.
 

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yea the hate in the west to china is so funny. Like wtf has china or latin America ever done bad to the world? People hate them more than Nazis, Russians or even the Japanese who you know actually attacked the west and were with the Nazis.

Like everything bad literally has come from Europe. Only bad thing china has done is gun powder but they didnt make guns the west did.

I mean if he does lose the club the way he might it's hilarious that someone with a great degree and top schooling could be so fking stupid but agin this is the same guy who let Skiniar go for free instead of 50 million hoping for the best.

at this point I think agents/lawyers are just fking with this guy or he just really really naive
 

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I don’t think anyone insulted Zhang’s nationality in the last 2 pages or so from a quick skim or even made references to his nationality being an issue (which would be infraction worthy I believe), so not sure where the comments above came from where the west doesn’t recognise the east or its different because he is from the east.

Likewise, the statement about everything bad being “Europes doing” but hating on countries like Colombia just seems unfounded/ baseless.

Can we just stick to the matter at hand and not bring shit like this into the forums?
 
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yea the hate in the west to china is so funny. Like wtf has china or latin America ever done bad to the world? People hate them more than Nazis, Russians or even the Japanese who you know actually attacked the west and were with the Nazis.

Like everything bad literally has come from Europe. Only bad thing china has done is gun powder but they didnt make guns the west did.

I mean if he does lose the club the way he might it's hilarious that someone with a great degree and top schooling could be so fking stupid but agin this is the same guy who let Skiniar go for free instead of 50 million hoping for the best.

at this point I think agents/lawyers are just fking with this guy or he just really really naive
Dude come on, don't talk like this. I handed a warning to you.
 

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His time has come and I think it's okay because it was his own mistake, but the hate here is ridiculous. Yeah, it was his mistake that he's going to lose his ownership. But at least, he managed to hire competent people and never tried to interfere with their work (except for financial decisions which is understandable), and that's the most important characteristics for a president, besides financial capability. Do you guys really want a guy like Chelsea owner?

People here just love to make fun of him for whatever reason. From calling him a nepo baby while Moratti is exactly the same (I respect Moratti for all his love and contribution, but come one, he came from a rich family just like Zhang), to making fun of his fashion style and even his cars. I'm pretty sure if a Western guy does the same shit, no one will ever complain about it, but hey, Zhang is Chinese, and that alone turns out an eyesore for some people.

I'm an Asian too so I understand that sometimes Western culture won't recognize us, but please show some fair treatment at least.
Nah, it's not that. I fucks with asians heavily, this is me being fair, no matter the nationality or race. Zhang Jr. isn't really a real president. He's not the one with the money, he is the one with who wants to make deals with hedge funds because he doesn't want to sell the club just yet. So that's how he got to this moment (also okay, he got unlucky with laws in China and Covid19, but so did the whole world).

Even I would give Marotta a job if he was a free agent and I know nothing about running a football club or economics.

While he made some right choices, he also made some wrong ones. I'll be happy for the right ones, but those decisions aren't enough for me to want him still here.
 

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yea the hate in the west to china is so funny. Like wtf has china or latin America ever done bad to the world? People hate them more than Nazis, Russians or even the Japanese who you know actually attacked the west and were with the Nazis.

Like everything bad literally has come from Europe. Only bad thing china has done is gun powder but they didnt make guns the west did.

I mean if he does lose the club the way he might it's hilarious that someone with a great degree and top schooling could be so fking stupid but agin this is the same guy who let Skiniar go for free instead of 50 million hoping for the best.

at this point I think agents/lawyers are just fking with this guy or he just really really naive
they hate us cos they aint us
 
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His time has come and I think it's okay because it was his own mistake, but the hate here is ridiculous. Yeah, it was his mistake that he's going to lose his ownership. But at least, he managed to hire competent people and never tried to interfere with their work (except for financial decisions which is understandable), and that's the most important characteristics for a president, besides financial capability. Do you guys really want a guy like Chelsea owner?

People here just love to make fun of him for whatever reason. From calling him a nepo baby while Moratti is exactly the same (I respect Moratti for all his love and contribution, but come one, he came from a rich family just like Zhang), to making fun of his fashion style and even his cars. I'm pretty sure if a Western guy does the same shit, no one will ever complain about it, but hey, Zhang is Chinese, and that alone turns out an eyesore for some people.

I'm an Asian too so I understand that sometimes Western culture won't recognize us, but please show some fair treatment at least.
Agree. Steven can’t bitch given they signed the terms of the loan. That’s how it goes.

But I’ll remember him as a good “president,” and Suning’s ownership as competent. They were at least smart enough to let the people who know what they’re doing run the show— that definitely counts for something.

We have to remember at the end of the day that they did inject a lot of their money into the club and they did bring us back to winning. If it not for their financial woes, they would still probably be putting money into the club.

I can only say thank you to the Zhangs.
 

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tbh, the china-phobia in the west, mainly spread by the US propaganda, is insane. There are loads of bad things about China (HK isnt china though, obviously), but the amount of propaganda and outright lies in the media...

people forget that media machines, especially capitalist ones, are all about clickbait and driving an 'enemy', when in reality china is a massive economic success (not withstanding recent problems) in terms of trying to pull up a peasant population into some sort of middle class.


And its a complete smokescreen while the west glosses over its own - pretty fucking significant and systematic - problems. but easier to create an external enemy than to look at ones own failings. It is honestly propagandaism straight out of Goebbel's playbook

no doubt i'll get called a CCP shill for saying that, though.



Question for the western people - does anyone here know enough about HK to highlight what is OBVIOUSLY wrong with this sign?

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There are 4 Suning periods.


1st is the attempt to elevate the club's sporting level about Thohir's tenure trashed it for the sake of cutting costs. This was a disastrous decision that set us back years and Suning tried to fix it from day 1.
Didn't succeed of course, they even fucked up and we ended up registering less players in Europe (which cost our progression) but you cannot dismiss the effort. They learned early on not to let agents run the show.

2016-17 was its own show. They started with Roberto Mancini and then they went full idiotic by not backing him properly and he just left us. They had a multitude of options but went for someone like Frank de Boer who had like 3 weeks to get to learn the Serie A way, learn the language and introduce whatever hectic style of football he wanted. That went well...
The season went awkward with Pioli almost sending us to CL with a crazy run and one bad result that could have sent us to the Europa League for some reason made us prefer not to play in Europe.

2nd phase is Spalletti.

Suning initially wanted to spend big but the CCP ordered that Chinese money would no longer go to football. We had deals lined up for Alexis Sanchez and 1-2 other world class players at the time that'd put us in Serie A contention, but instead we ended up with just Nainggolan by playing around with players exchanges (Santon 9.5m ffs and Zaniolo as a prospect for 4m + future fee %), we got Skriniar for Caprari + 12m, we landed Bastoni for a crazy valuation and loaned him back to Atalanta. The whole idea was to spend big, and also smart, we had to be creative and Ausilio went to work by generating over 50m from Primavera sales. That's iirc whne the term "plusvalenza" became our only strategy. That's why we lost Banega before the season and that's why we kept failed transfers around.

This was a 2 year period because we had to reach the CL group stage. We did that twice. Baby Zhang was promoted to what was still Thohir's chairman spot during our first CL appearance in years. I think it was in November 2018, just before the Tottenham away game.

Then we have the Conte period, which is broken into two phases. The pre-covid phase and the post-covid phase.
Pre-covid, Suning was liberated by the settlement agreement with UEFA and we ended up with big important transfers, but still with the plusvalenza considerations. We got Lukaku for a big chunk of money that we've never seen being spent before, we locked Barella and Sensi from the local market, we then got Eriksen for 20-25m on an expiring deal just because we wanted to prove a point. We locked the Hakimi transfer just before the Chinese started meddling again. Let's not forget that we tried to sell all Bastoni, Skriniar, Lautaro, Perisic, De Vrij and Brozovic in the same window. Not that we'd clear the house, but we were shoppin these guys around like there was no tomorrow. Perisic of course was on the verge to leave as he was out on loan the year prior and Brozovic was sketchy about staying at that point. Then the famous Conte interview in August/September, the Inter restaurant version, we ended up getting Kolarov and Vidal instead of Kumbulla and Tonali. It looks better now of course, but at the time we all felt like it was a backwards move.

And this is pretty much the 3rd phase. Which includes Simone Inzaghi's first two seasons. Or 1.5 to be exact.

Then we somehow managed to break through to the CL quarters, beat Milan in every way possible, in any competition possible, reached CL final and basically restored our brand name in football to a large degree and then took that momentum and took Serie A by storm, while still being quite competitive in Europe despite the decimated rotation we used there for the most part. If Suning leaves now, I can say that they're leaving on a high.

They're leaving the club in good hands, morale is at its highest possible after securing the Scudetto against Milan, we even celebrated the championship three times already and the season is still going. If the next owner takes us to a team that barely can manage to reach the CL spots and cannot compete in Europe, they'd fail. If they can keep this up at the sporting level, it's good enough. Ideally, we have an owner that can elevate the club commercially and give us a stronger sporting competitiveness by improving our depth by finally stop sacrificing what works and experimenting each year. If we can keep the core and reinforce it, we're in great hands. If it's one of the same, then it's honestly no worse than what Suning would have done, but the main difference would be that Suning didn't do it. The next guy did. So let's hope we end up at the hands of someone who can take over and improve the club. Then we can thank Suning for their contribution at the club. No one would look back and call it a failure.
 

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There are 4 Suning periods.


1st is the attempt to elevate the club's sporting level about Thohir's tenure trashed it for the sake of cutting costs. This was a disastrous decision that set us back years and Suning tried to fix it from day 1.
Didn't succeed of course, they even fucked up and we ended up registering less players in Europe (which cost our progression) but you cannot dismiss the effort. They learned early on not to let agents run the show.

2016-17 was its own show. They started with Roberto Mancini and then they went full idiotic by not backing him properly and he just left us. They had a multitude of options but went for someone like Frank de Boer who had like 3 weeks to get to learn the Serie A way, learn the language and introduce whatever hectic style of football he wanted. That went well...
The season went awkward with Pioli almost sending us to CL with a crazy run and one bad result that could have sent us to the Europa League for some reason made us prefer not to play in Europe.

2nd phase is Spalletti.

Suning initially wanted to spend big but the CCP ordered that Chinese money would no longer go to football. We had deals lined up for Alexis Sanchez and 1-2 other world class players at the time that'd put us in Serie A contention, but instead we ended up with just Nainggolan by playing around with players exchanges (Santon 9.5m ffs and Zaniolo as a prospect for 4m + future fee %), we got Skriniar for Caprari + 12m, we landed Bastoni for a crazy valuation and loaned him back to Atalanta. The whole idea was to spend big, and also smart, we had to be creative and Ausilio went to work by generating over 50m from Primavera sales. That's iirc whne the term "plusvalenza" became our only strategy. That's why we lost Banega before the season and that's why we kept failed transfers around.

This was a 2 year period because we had to reach the CL group stage. We did that twice. Baby Zhang was promoted to what was still Thohir's chairman spot during our first CL appearance in years. I think it was in November 2018, just before the Tottenham away game.

Then we have the Conte period, which is broken into two phases. The pre-covid phase and the post-covid phase.
Pre-covid, Suning was liberated by the settlement agreement with UEFA and we ended up with big important transfers, but still with the plusvalenza considerations. We got Lukaku for a big chunk of money that we've never seen being spent before, we locked Barella and Sensi from the local market, we then got Eriksen for 20-25m on an expiring deal just because we wanted to prove a point. We locked the Hakimi transfer just before the Chinese started meddling again. Let's not forget that we tried to sell all Bastoni, Skriniar, Lautaro, Perisic, De Vrij and Brozovic in the same window. Not that we'd clear the house, but we were shoppin these guys around like there was no tomorrow. Perisic of course was on the verge to leave as he was out on loan the year prior and Brozovic was sketchy about staying at that point. Then the famous Conte interview in August/September, the Inter restaurant version, we ended up getting Kolarov and Vidal instead of Kumbulla and Tonali. It looks better now of course, but at the time we all felt like it was a backwards move.

And this is pretty much the 3rd phase. Which includes Simone Inzaghi's first two seasons. Or 1.5 to be exact.

Then we somehow managed to break through to the CL quarters, beat Milan in every way possible, in any competition possible, reached CL final and basically restored our brand name in football to a large degree and then took that momentum and took Serie A by storm, while still being quite competitive in Europe despite the decimated rotation we used there for the most part. If Suning leaves now, I can say that they're leaving on a high.

They're leaving the club in good hands, morale is at its highest possible after securing the Scudetto against Milan, we even celebrated the championship three times already and the season is still going. If the next owner takes us to a team that barely can manage to reach the CL spots and cannot compete in Europe, they'd fail. If they can keep this up at the sporting level, it's good enough. Ideally, we have an owner that can elevate the club commercially and give us a stronger sporting competitiveness by improving our depth by finally stop sacrificing what works and experimenting each year. If we can keep the core and reinforce it, we're in great hands. If it's one of the same, then it's honestly no worse than what Suning would have done, but the main difference would be that Suning didn't do it. The next guy did. So let's hope we end up at the hands of someone who can take over and improve the club. Then we can thank Suning for their contribution at the club. No one would look back and call it a failure.
Excellent breakdown.

We are really on a good position. Financially, we are improving every year and when everything is kept as is, breakeven is going to happen. This all should be a sign for good owner candidates to come around. No cost cutting BS like Milan did because we're already in that path and we have a good track record with it. Don't decimate anything sporting wise and just let the current management cook.
 

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First of all let me say this wtf Steven? In hindsight this situation was handled terrible, if looking at it from a financial side, still hard to grasp that the zhangs just let it come to this. I do hope we get to see the Zhangs holdings balance at some point and get to see the contract they signed with oaktree. Cause for me this all still makes very little sense especially the zhangs behavior.

Anyways i guess Steven really liked this club as financially this is the worst outcome for them or lets say the one where they have the least control over how much they get from the sale and it is really hard to believe that in the last two years the zhangs would not have been able to get a better deal than what they ll get now.

This all being said i m still thankful to Suning as they brought us from a club that cant reach top 4 to a Serie a champions and a CL contender, yes they fucked up massively along the way but over the time of their tenure Inter made huge steps on a sporting and on a financial level.

So for me all that is left to say is thanks.
 

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First of all let me say this wtf Steven? In hindsight this situation was handled terrible, if looking at it from a financial side, still hard to grasp that the zhangs just let it come to this. I do hope we get to see the Zhangs holdings balance at some point and get to see the contract they signed with oaktree. Cause for me this all still makes very little sense especially the zhangs behavior.

Anyways i guess Steven really liked this club as financially this is the worst outcome for them or lets say the one where they have the least control over how much they get from the sale and it is really hard to believe that in the last two years the zhangs would not have been able to get a better deal than what they ll get now.

This all being said i m still thankful to Suning as they brought us from a club that cant reach top 4 to a Serie a champions and a CL contender, yes they fucked up massively along the way but over the time of their tenure Inter made huge steps on a sporting and on a financial level.

So for me all that is left to say is thanks.
well, they cost themselves a shitload of money, but its not really our problem :D

thanks for the journey Zhang, you've made a massive difference to the club.
 

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He was a good owner in terms of emotions, ambition, even humility to put the people he put in management, but I just can't place him in grande inter with good conscience. The journey is important, but it's also how you finish the journey that counts, and he could have managed it much better.

Also, glad a lot of people in here think the same, judging by the votes.
 

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well, they cost themselves a shitload of money, but its not really our problem :D

thanks for the journey Zhang, you've made a massive difference to the club.
Not saying it s our problem i just really would love to know what happened behind the scenes that they let it come to this....
 

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Not saying it s our problem i just really would love to know what happened behind the scenes that they let it come to this....
yeah, agreed. As I posted elsewhere, i suspect in reality they were hoping to sell a minority stake, get some refinancing, or something like and be in a better position

or, they're just fucked anyway. if you owe the bank 5 billion, an extra 500million doesnt really matter!
 
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