Stefan de Vrij

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Glad he came back to form. I was afraid his renewal bite us in the back. Making it to Euro2024 might have something to do with his revival. Hope he keeps it up.
 

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It might also have to do with his new contract and with the legal issues with his former agency. He left behind all that issues and can focus on performance on the pitch again.
 

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Hes been recalled to the Dutch squad so hopefully that's a motivating factor rather than another injury waiting to happen.
 

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I dont want him against beelan and Giroud. I just dont trust him after what Giroud did to him last time.
 

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haters gonna hate but he was awesome yesterday. Hope the renewal .... renewed him. Seems happier and back to his best. Hope he can maintain this form
 

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So should Milan bench Theo after what we did to him last time?
Well it wasnt just one time, every derby that we lost against them in last couple of years was complete shitshow by DeVrij. Giroud made him his bitch, just like Lautaro did to Tommori.
 

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He became good again when Inzaghi pulled the line a bit deeper. But same could be said about Bastoni as well. He was also shaky when we played with higher defensive line.
 

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Well it wasnt just one time, every derby that we lost against them in last couple of years was complete shitshow by DeVrij. Giroud made him his bitch, just like Lautaro did to Tommori.
And how many times have we lost the derby in last couple of years?
 

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And how many times have we lost the derby in last couple of years?
Two times. One time caused losing us scudetto which make us and beelan at 19 but could and should be 20 to 18 if there was no major fuck up by DeVrij. Stop making DeVrij best defender in the world after three good games, he was utter crap last two seasons.
 

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Let’s blame De Vrij for everything, the problem we had with De Vrij is down to tactics, use him Correctly and he is a more solid defender then Acerbi.

Yes Acerbi had a good last season, but we need to realise that he is getting old and that his prime years is behind him back when he played in Lazio. I think we need to rotate them to some degree as De Vrij ain’t holding up for 50 games and neither will Acerbi.
 

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Let’s blame De Vrij for everything, the problem we had with De Vrij is down to tactics, use him Correctly and he is a more solid defender then Acerbi.

Yes Acerbi had a good last season, but we need to realise that he is getting old and that his prime years is behind him back when he played in Lazio. I think we need to rotate them to some degree as De Vrij ain’t holding up for 50 games and neither will Acerbi.

Acerbi's age is an issue but since his position requires intelligence and experience more than phyiscal condition, compared to other position in the pitch. It remains to be seen if he's gonna pull another incredible season like he did in the last one, but at same same time it's great news that de Vrij finally got his shit together since he was absolute garbage over the past couple of years and that has nothing to do with tactics but rather his own incompetence, just like Handanovic for example.

Nothing against the latter, since he was the most consistent performer in this club since the Treble season, but his rapid decline was obvious and there was no one else to blame rather than his own self.

As for de Vrij, I think he is quite soft and breakable mentally, so that's the biggest reason of his drastical drop of form IMHO. He's not even old actually. Defenders usually hit their peak in the late 20s or early 30s so it was quite disappointing how his game has dropped significiantly.

However we have no reason to worry about rotations in the squad since we do have good squad depth and the roster has A LOT quality compared to earlier. When you have players like Acerbi/de Vrij or Pavard/Darmian, Dumfries/Cuadrado and ect ect in the line-up and bench then you know team is actually in a good situation.
 

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Acerbi's age is an issue but since his position requires intelligence and experience more than phyiscal condition, compared to other position in the pitch. It remains to be seen if he's gonna pull another incredible season like he did in the last one, but at same same time it's great news that de Vrij finally got his shit together since he was absolute garbage over the past couple of years and that has nothing to do with tactics but rather his own incompetence, just like Handanovic for example.

No our lacklustre performance in defence was down to Inzaghi and not the individual players, he was excellent under Conte. Inzaghi played with a defensive line that stood way to high up on the pitch then the last 3 games, this is going to be disastrous for a player like De Vrij, at least some common sense seem to finally have arrived at Inzaghi’s desk. It’s really no surprise that when you play him to his strengths rather then his weaknesses he suddenly performs.

Use any player wrong and they will look bad. He also managed to make Skriniar look like an average defender let’s not forget that either.

Nothing against the latter, since he was the most consistent performer in this club since the Treble season, but his rapid decline was obvious and there was no one else to blame rather than his own self

Isn’t it a bit of coincidence he dropped performance the moment Inzaghi became coach… then Inzaghi corrected the defence and suddenly he is back to his good self.

Handanovic dropped also because of age as well.

As for de Vrij, I think he is quite soft and breakable mentally, so that's the biggest reason of his drastical drop of form IMHO. He's not even old actually. Defenders usually hit their peak in the late 20s or early 30s so it was quite disappointing how his game has dropped significiantly.

So Skriniar was also weak mentally, come on… it is Inzaghi fault not playing our defenders correctly, let not forget Bastoni also had a noticeable drop in his first season under Inzaghi as well.

A coach job is to get his players to perform to their best, if they don’t he did not do a good enough job. All the players we have can perform the necessary task, it’s Inzaghi job to make sure that happens, that is after all what he is paid for.
However we have no reason to worry about rotations in the squad since we do have good squad depth and the roster has A LOT quality compared to earlier. When you have players like Acerbi/de Vrij or Pavard/Darmian, Dumfries/Cuadrado and ect ect in the line-up and bench then you know team is actually in a good situation.
 
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Isn’t it a bit of coincidence he dropped performance the moment Inzaghi became coach… then Inzaghi corrected the defence and suddenly he is back to his good self.

His performance dropped when we dropped the contract talks in November 2021 that were supposed to be concluded by September 2021...

He signed a new deal and he's a new person now!

Inzaghi was coach in both periods. And if you recall Spalletti's words about De Vrij's "sensitivity", it just adds up. The guy was insecure and now feels appreciated once more. He was on the transfer block for most of 2022.
 

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@Gal. None of our CB's were fast but at least some of them had a better interception of the game. For example in many cases, de Vrij's poor interception caught him off guard and exposed him badly, it also happened just lately against Cagliari. Luckily for us, Hakan saw it coming and made a great run to recover that de Vrij's loophole. Now I'm sounding a bit harsh on de Vrij since he's been solid af in this season so far, but he deserves blame for his poor performances just like he deserves credit for being much better now.

Also I don't remember Skriniar having a string of average performances, whether it was under Conte or Inzaghi. In fact, he had to adopt under a new system that Conte introduced to Inter, but it didn't took long until he adjusted properly and performed on his usual standard.

I agree that during a particular period of seasn we were pathetic as a group but individual and collective errors were noticeable. I already gave an example in de Vrij or Handanovic which cost us points due to their incompetence. And there is lack of communication, compactness and ect which is more of a group issue than anything else, but like I said everyone deserves the blame according to their approach.
 

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His performance dropped when we dropped the contract talks in November 2021 that were supposed to be concluded by September 2021...

He signed a new deal and he's a new person now!

Inzaghi was coach in both periods. And if you recall Spalletti's words about De Vrij's "sensitivity", it just adds up. The guy was insecure and now feels appreciated once more. He was on the transfer block for most of 2022.
It’s the coach job to make players feel secure, trusted etc. what part of coaching is so hard to understand. If a player that we know is good enough fails it’s just as much on the coaching staff.

Let’s look at Cycling for a moment the current twice holder of TDF is also a very sensitive person he performs to his level because the staff around him do their job and get him to perform. This is their job! If you can’t get a sensitive or introvert player to perform it’s simply because you lack skill as a coach.

Football is so far behind its laughable
 

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It’s the coach job to make players feel secure, trusted etc. what part of coaching is so hard to understand. If a player that we know is good enough fails it’s just as much on the coaching staff.

How is it the coach's fault if management calls a player up to sign a new deal only to tell him that instead they're going to sell him? What can a coach do with a mentally broken person? A freaking psychologist cannot deal with that, let alone a football coach...

De Vrij was not himself for years.

Let’s look at Cycling for a moment the current twice holder of TDF is also a very sensitive person he performs to his level because the staff around him do their job and get him to perform. This is their job! If you can’t get a sensitive or introvert player to perform it’s simply because you lack skill as a coach.

Football is so far behind its laughable

Sorry, but this is a laughable comparison. How do you even compare a solo athlete environment with a football player? Almost every solo athlete is mentally broken at some point and it's up to them to recover, there's nothing someone does with sweet talking that gets you to bounce back.


I wanna see if you're going to think that Inzaghi improved something this year and he got De Vrij to perform really well. Did he complete a Coursera certificate on people management or something?


You'd be getting somewhere if De Vrij was doing things with the national team during this time, but he was even worse over there...
 

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@Gal. None of our CB's were fast but at least some of them had a better interception of the game. For example in many cases, de Vrij's poor interception caught him off guard and exposed him badly, it also happened just lately against Cagliari. Luckily for us, Hakan saw it coming and made a great run to recover that de Vrij's loophole. Now I'm sounding a bit harsh on de Vrij since he's been solid af in this season so far, but he deserves blame for his poor performances just like he deserves credit for being much better now.

Again he was played higher up field, it was quite obvious he didn’t feel confident in that.

Skriniar also looked very uncomfortable the way Inzaghi practiced the defensive part of the game, also made countless of uncharacteristic mistakes in his time.

Problem with both was they where used in a way that exposed their weaknesses. All defenders have weaknesses it’s the coach job to find out what that is and counter it and play to their strengths, you can’t play De Vrij the way he did. The way Inzaghi played his first two seasons was bound to be catastrophic for a players like those two.
Also I don't remember Skriniar having a string of average performances, whether it was under Conte or Inzaghi. In fact, he had to adopt under a new system that Conte introduced to Inter, but it didn't took long until he adjusted properly and performed on his usual standard.

The man got outperformed by freaking Darmien, no disrespect to him, and Skriniar never even remotely got to the complete domination level we where so used too from him. Skriniar just isn’t best in a 3 back line and Inzaghi exposed his weaknesses.
I agree that during a particular period of seasn we were pathetic as a group but individual and collective errors were noticeable. I already gave an example in de Vrij or Handanovic which cost us points due to their incompetence. And there is lack of communication, compactness and ect which is more of a group issue than anything else, but like I said everyone deserves the blame according to their approach.
 

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I still can’t believe so many here wanted him to walk… For free..

Keeping de Vrij should always have been one of our top priorities and I’m happy we did. He’s still class.
 
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