Simone Inzaghi

[.h.]

At the same time, it also feels a bit strange — perhaps even unfair — to frame things in such black-and-white terms. In football, success and failure are incredibly close to one another. There’s also a real scenario in which Inzaghi ends up winning the treble this season. And if that happens, he would instantly be regarded as one of the greatest managers in Inter’s history. Ten games — that’s the difference between doubt and glory for Inzaghi.

Yep.

But unfortunately that's reality right? A misstep against Siena, or Bojans arm six inches higher, and Mourinho goes down well but not as a legend in the same way

De Vrij not giving a penalty to Inter sees us continue in banter era, not coming out of it

The history of sport is full of people who were either greatly, or poorly, judged based on a small amount of games.

There's probably a fair argument that in sports you aren't remembered for your best games, but for your biggest games. And it's fucking harsh, you play one/two/three major finals in your career and that defines everything, but there we go


Like the old joke says... You can make a thousand great dinners but you fuck one horse and everyone calls you an animal fucker not a chef

 

[brehme1989]

It’s a huge cliché, but it’s true: after the next three matches, we’ll know exactly where we stand.

Appreciate the response.

I'll give you something to think about:
Klopp at Liverpool won the CL, sure, but in 7 years he only won the league once, won one FA Cup on penalties, 2 mickey mouse cups, one on PKs and the other just before they reached the PK shootout, one CWC where they struggled to beat Monterrey (90th minute win) and Flamengo (ET) and one Uefa Super Cup, again on PKs.
Basically almost all his cups were won against Chelsea

He definitely brought home the big ears, albeit against Tottenham of all teams, lost two to Real Madrid (fair) and for being celebrated as an innovator who brought big success to Liverpool, he's done marginally better than Rafa Benitez in terms of trophies.

Is it fair to judge managers on this alone? Does Klopp deserve a lot of merit? Will Simone Inzaghi be viewed in the same light as Klopp if we somehow with the CL yet fail to win everything else?

These aren't trick questions. It just shows a) how thin margins are from being considered great to actually lifting trophies and b) how a viewpoint can change depending on the angle you're looking it at varies.
Will anyone call Klopp an underachiever because Slot will get his PL title right away?

As for your question. While I do want us to dominate in Italy, I much prefer us being the European team of Italy. But that needs to fetch trophies back home. Final and semi final runs won't cut it unfortunately, as obnoxious as that may sound.

So if you ask me if I'd take 2 Scudetti and 2 CL trophies in 5 years over 5 Scudetti and no CLs, I'd take option A. If I split the CL trophies, then it all depends on how close we are. I wouldn't like 5th spot in league for example just because every 2 years I win the CL, but I wouldn't cry over it.

 

[Damageplan]

You get like 30 mil for winning serie A while we are already at 100+ for reaching later stages in CL. If you need to build a team its easy math what you preffer. Serie A is bragging rights but CL is where the money and prestige is really at.

 

[.h.]

That's financially true but no one in the world would sacrifice a league title for decent progress in the CL. Players have a retirement trophy cabinet not a P&L

 

[Puma]

Sorry, but talking about prize money and how much Inter as a club has made over the season does not seem right.

It assumes that Oaktree are going to spend what has been made to reinforce the squad. There is no guarantee that will happen and in actual fact, I would be surprised if they spent money in the summer.

 

[interman]

How many points(or titles) we do we need to lose to understand that Bastoni IS NEEDED FOR FINAL MINUTES.

 

[.h.]

How many points(or titles) we do we need to lose to understand that Bastoni IS NEEDED FOR FINAL MINUTES.

More

 

[interman]

Losing Scudetto to Conte is beyond the imagination.
The guy lost absolutely the best players and playing with Lukaku and Mctominay.

You have to outplay Napoli even when you play 10 other competitions together.

 

[Adriano@10]

Just here to say if someone told me before the season starts will be in CL semis in coppa semis and leading serie a with the same points as napoli after 33 games i d be delighted...

Keep on spinning that narrative that Inzaghi somehow fucked up in serie A when every other team that has played in 3 comps is nowhere near us in the table...
Also funny how the same people who thought jube and bbilan had better squads and better mercatos han inter are now cryng that we are only top of the table with the same points as napoli....

 

[Glass box]

That's financially true but no one in the world would sacrifice a league title for decent progress in the CL. Players have a retirement trophy cabinet not a P&L

But it's constantly highlighted how much we're broke and the club needs money. So, our situation is different than the other big clubs. And the facts speak for themselves when even Roma spends far more than us every summer, even though they don't play in CL for 6 years.

 

[vex]

Just here to say if someone told me before the season starts will be in CL semis in coppa semis and leading serie a with the same points as napoli after 33 games i d be delighted...

Keep on spinning that narrative that Inzaghi somehow fucked up in serie A when every other team that has played in 3 comps is nowhere near us in the table...
Also funny how the same people who thought jube and bbilan had better squads and better mercatos han inter are now cryng that we are only top of the table with the same points as napoli....

What's the point of this post? To spin out the narrative that the journey is more important than the end result in a club like inter? To just be satisfied we are still in play to win all three trophies before even winning anything, but also severally compromising ourselves in the process to win actual trophies that will save our season?

Here is the reality for you: This team won a league with 20 points advantage last year, I don't even know how many points we had advantage over last year napoli team, probably double that. That napoli team lost two of their biggest stars during the season, so for me at least, there is no using excuses of them playing less games in that type of dynamic.

At the end of the day, as i v said in bologna match thread if the sheer amount of games was our biggest downfall, inzaghi and the coaching staff should have recognized that and completely ignore supercoppa and coppa games. You actually do that if you had some balls. Doing it the way they did it and potentially losing seria a and cl, and then fans like you hiding them and their responsibilities behind the number of games played, is actual cowardice. If your best player enters the season completely off form, and he needs almost five months to get into a groove, and 95% of your roster played grueling international tournaments during the summer and gave last atom of strength the previous season, maybe someone up there with all those things is sending you a message you need to concentrate on what's important given the playing style you prefer and the amount of energy it needs to function properly. Unless of course he thinks every trophy is equally important, in that case he should replace his current team with a team like bologna, there coppa trophy has almost an equal worth to a scuddetto.

So to conclude I admire what inzaghi did in this inter team, I don't want him to get sacked even if we end up with zero titles and the end of the season coz that would potentially open another can of worms, players are also big culprits and their general mentality in certain occasions, but stripping inzaghi completely out of responsibilities if we bottle the league is down right glazing him into oblivion.

 

[.h.]

What's the point of this post? To spin out the narrative that the journey is more important than the end result in a club like inter? To just be satisfied we are still in play to win all three trophies before even winning anything, but also severally compromising ourselves in the process to win actual trophies that will save our season?

Here is the reality for you: This team won a league with 20 points advantage last year, I don't even know how many points we had advantage over last year napoli team, probably double that. That napoli team lost two of their biggest stars during the season, so for me at least, there is no using excuses of them playing less games in that type of dynamic.

At the end of the day, as i v said in bologna match thread if the sheer amount of games was our biggest downfall, inzaghi and the coaching staff should have recognized that and completely ignore supercoppa and coppa games. You actually do that if you had some balls. Doing it the way they did it and potentially losing seria a and cl, and then fans like you hiding them and their responsibilities behind the number of games played, is actual cowardice. If your best player enters the season completely off form, and he needs almost five months to get into a groove, and 95% of your roster played grueling international tournaments during the summer and gave last atom of strength the previous season, maybe someone up there with all those things is sending you a message you need to concentrate on what's important given the playing style you prefer and the amount of energy it needs to function properly. Unless of course he thinks every trophy is equally important, in that case he should replace his current team with a team like bologna, there coppa trophy has almost an equal worth to a scuddetto.

So to conclude I admire what inzaghi did in this inter team, I don't want him to get sacked even if we end up with zero titles and the end of the season coz that would potentially open another can of worms, players are also big culprits and their general mentality in certain occasions, but stripping inzaghi completely out of responsibilities if we bottle the league is down right glazing him into oblivion.

the one trhing i would say - in fairness - Napoli have outperformed their expectations. Last season they closed with 53 points, this year they can go anywhere from 71-86 points. While I agree, its odd that a club has lost their two stars and is performing significantly better than last year, it's a bit unfair to mention it in the context with the idea that Napoli last year === Napoli this year.

Otherwise, I do agree. None of this is about sacking Inzaghi, but one is allowed to express some disappointment about certain attributes of his (e.g. game management, player management, fitness, etc) without being labelled an inzaghi hater, or being told we should just be happy to be in the running for a progressively less-likely treble/quadruple.

 

[vex]

the one trhing i would say - in fairness - Napoli have outperformed their expectations. Last season they closed with 53 points, this year they can go anywhere from 71-86 points. While I agree, its odd that a club has lost their two stars and is performing significantly better than last year, it's a bit unfair to mention it in the context with the idea that Napoli last year === Napoli this year.

Fair point, but them closing on a 40 point difference in one season shouldn't have happened even if god almighty was on their bench, let alone conte and the mercato they had. Also losing two of their biggest stars I mentioned. That's what I tried to say with that one. They performed better, but this wouldn't have been a season they fight for the title if we did our job and fulfil our league form potential.

 

[.h.]

Fair point, but them closing on a 40 point difference in one season shouldn't have happened even if god almighty was on their bench, let alone conte and the mercato they had. Also losing two of their biggest stars I mentioned. That's what I tried to say with that one. They performed better, but this wouldn't have been a season they fight for the title if we did our job and fulfil our league form potential.

I hear what you're saying, but we should also reflect that probably 25 of the 40 point difference will come from their strength/impact, and -15 comes from Inter potatoing

I agree with you, btw. One or two wins against any of our big rivals and this league would be so much closer to done and dusted for Inter, but the obviously massive disappointment from not beating Milan, Juve, or Napoli once in the league....

 

[bubba zanetti]

If we fail to win anything ofc this season will not be succesfull, but I wouldn't go that far and called it humiliation. Just look at City or Madrid.

 

[.h.]

If we fail to win anything ofc this season will not be succesfull, but I wouldn't go that far and called it humiliation. Just look at City or Madrid.

I'mnot sure if thiscomment is directed at my use of the word humiliating elsewhere/previously

My point re humiliation is the way Inzaghi will have to backtrack after 6 weeks when he said we were aiming for the quadruple. NOT that the season would be a humiliation.

It'll be, as you say, not a successful season if we fail to win anything, but its not a humiliating season. But it should be embarrassing for Inzaghi to go from talking about winning the Quadruple just 6 weeks ago to potentially winning nothing. Of course I still hope we wint he scudetto, and technically, its still in our control - if we win all 6 remaining league games, and Napoli win 5 and lose the play off, the league is ours obviously.

 

[Stefan]

Sorry, but talking about prize money and how much Inter as a club has made over the season does not seem right.

It assumes that Oaktree are going to spend what has been made to reinforce the squad. There is no guarantee that will happen and in actual fact, I would be surprised if they spent money in the summer.

They have already spend money on sucic. All indications are they will spend.

 

[Adriano@10]

What's the point of this post? To spin out the narrative that the journey is more important than the end result in a club like inter? To just be satisfied we are still in play to win all three trophies before even winning anything, but also severally compromising ourselves in the process to win actual trophies that will save our season?

Here is the reality for you: This team won a league with 20 points advantage last year, I don't even know how many points we had advantage over last year napoli team, probably double that. That napoli team lost two of their biggest stars during the season, so for me at least, there is no using excuses of them playing less games in that type of dynamic.

At the end of the day, as i v said in bologna match thread if the sheer amount of games was our biggest downfall, inzaghi and the coaching staff should have recognized that and completely ignore supercoppa and coppa games. You actually do that if you had some balls. Doing it the way they did it and potentially losing seria a and cl, and then fans like you hiding them and their responsibilities behind the number of games played, is actual cowardice. If your best player enters the season completely off form, and he needs almost five months to get into a groove, and 95% of your roster played grueling international tournaments during the summer and gave last atom of strength the previous season, maybe someone up there with all those things is sending you a message you need to concentrate on what's important given the playing style you prefer and the amount of energy it needs to function properly. Unless of course he thinks every trophy is equally important, in that case he should replace his current team with a team like bologna, there coppa trophy has almost an equal worth to a scuddetto.

So to conclude I admire what inzaghi did in this inter team, I don't want him to get sacked even if we end up with zero titles and the end of the season coz that would potentially open another can of worms, players are also big culprits and their general mentality in certain occasions, but stripping inzaghi completely out of responsibilities if we bottle the league is down right glazing him into oblivion.

Who the fuck said he should not get critizised if we dont win the league? That being said i d give him way more shit for intentionally throwing the CL raher than fighting till the end and accepting the result....

My post was ment to say it would be a unacceptable looser menality to intentionally throw the CL in order to win serie A thats some shit a roma or any other team can do that have not won Serie A for 20 plus years not us and you sure as shit cant do it if you wanna be amongst the elite clubs.

To your points yes we finished wih 20 points plus lead last season but where are those other 4 teams that finished top 5 last year and played CL and would we be crusing to another scudetto if they were the challengers and not a napoli side that played like 15 games less than us this season?
Also when did we pull away from the competition? Was it perhaps after we exited UCL?

Last but not least which games should inzaghi have thrown? We rested quite some players in CL league phase and people were not to happy about it...
Should he have thrown the round of 16 games or the ones against bayern? Serious question?
Also i dont remember anybody celebrating us losing to atlti on here cause now we have the scudetto secured, it s probably what inzaghi got most flack for......so again when should we have decided that we rest players and dont go all out in UCL... and why would us fans have been okay with it at that moment.. Remember hindsight is a hell of a power....

One last point if i remember correctly in our trebble season we were trailing roma after 33 matchdays would you really want somebody to tell Mou hey throw those semis against barca we might end up with zero tituli if you go all out against barca and what would Mous answer have been....

Botom line all i can ask from our players and coach is to try and win every game they enter and every competition they enter which imho they did this season.
Now will i be disappointed if we miss out on scudetto fuck yes but the main culprit will be a total lack of squad depth not a coach that still went all out and tried to win as much as possible.

 

[Suraj]

What's the point of this post? To spin out the narrative that the journey is more important than the end result in a club like inter? To just be satisfied we are still in play to win all three trophies before even winning anything, but also severally compromising ourselves in the process to win actual trophies that will save our season?

Here is the reality for you: This team won a league with 20 points advantage last year, I don't even know how many points we had advantage over last year napoli team, probably double that. That napoli team lost two of their biggest stars during the season, so for me at least, there is no using excuses of them playing less games in that type of dynamic.

At the end of the day, as i v said in bologna match thread if the sheer amount of games was our biggest downfall, inzaghi and the coaching staff should have recognized that and completely ignore supercoppa and coppa games. You actually do that if you had some balls. Doing it the way they did it and potentially losing seria a and cl, and then fans like you hiding them and their responsibilities behind the number of games played, is actual cowardice. If your best player enters the season completely off form, and he needs almost five months to get into a groove, and 95% of your roster played grueling international tournaments during the summer and gave last atom of strength the previous season, maybe someone up there with all those things is sending you a message you need to concentrate on what's important given the playing style you prefer and the amount of energy it needs to function properly. Unless of course he thinks every trophy is equally important, in that case he should replace his current team with a team like bologna, there coppa trophy has almost an equal worth to a scuddetto.

So to conclude I admire what inzaghi did in this inter team, I don't want him to get sacked even if we end up with zero titles and the end of the season coz that would potentially open another can of worms, players are also big culprits and their general mentality in certain occasions, but stripping inzaghi completely out of responsibilities if we bottle the league is down right glazing him into oblivion.

this is not the same team that won the league with 20 points though. it was anomaly and we'll probably never see inter perform that well again. also all our older players getting even older, some getting significantly worse eg. darmian. let's not even talk about the mercato, one of the worst we've had in a while. this is a good point tally till gameweek 33, there's only 1 season where we didn't win the league getting the same amount of points so far.

For the fighting on all fronts part, we did tried to throw the coppa. look at the lineups. they just won the game anyway and had to face bilan in semis so the derby is gonna be hard to throw obviously. the magical 10 points or whatever people think we should have, it would only be possible if we got humiliated in champions league like the other italian teams. and we're still ahead of those clowns comfortably. only one competing is napoli and the only reason is because of them playing one game a week. its not an excuse, its a factor. the two times conte had to play 2 games a week, he's dropped points each time. so no matter how it ends, the serie a season is not as bad as people think.

 

[Mr-Intermilan]

from my point of view, he failed to conclude that bastoni being off makes the defesnse weak/unefficient.
the second aspect playing with fratessi/asslani/bissek at the same time dont work and makes us as if we are playing with 9 palyers.

and last but not least the him not creating an attacking midfielder in case our attackers are injured or went dry, he could promote hakan/frattessi as a 9 rather than pushing lautauro or thuram to go back and get the ball in closed games.