Simone Inzaghi

Will Simone Inzaghi win a Scudetto at Inter?


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Stefan

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We're into round 16 of CL and only 5 points from second place. It's not all doom and gloom.

Yes, results against top teams are worrying but we could turn that around after the WC.
Is second place now the aim for Inter? We are out the scudetto race by the start of November.
We have conceded 16 goals away from home, 20 if we count cl. We can't beat any big team in the league.
That's very much doom and gloom for me.
 

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INZAGHI is a mid average coach, look at his previous hsitory.
he managed to improve his numbers last year based on the team strength, but the meracato was a shame he didnt get the suitable replacement for pericis and sanchez!

if we will replace him, lets only hire a manager with atkeast 2.0 ppm
and strength our team, otherwise..we are back to morrati hire and fire.
 

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I don't know why are those stories of sacking Simone coming out, and what are they based on. Yes we did lose all big games in Serie A. But we made it through group stage, which we couldn't do before him against Barca kids or PSV. Fact that we made it through group stage makes me happier then if we were currently sitting 1st in Serie A and failed to qualify to KO stages of CL. Season is long and situation is not as bad as it seems. Top 4 is not the question we'll be there for sure, only question is on which place of top 4 we'll be.
 

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The defensive record this season makes no sense. At home we have conceded the same amount as gobbi(who has the best record in the league), 3 in total. But we turn to crap away from home, 13 conceded. 20 if we count cl,the only cleansheet is away to plzen.

Inzaghi needs to figure out this massive difference.
 
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Its not like we did not get plenty of warnings in our pre-season games. Defense looked absolutely horrible and it continues. Just an overall lack of concentration and grit. It is totally irelevant that we conceded so few at home since we played Spezia, Salernitana, Cremonese, Sampdoria and such.
Lazio , Milan , Fiorentina and Udinese scored 3 goals against us, that is absolutely ridiculous.
Overall we are having one of the worst seasons in a very long time. Funny enough we managed to shit on Farcelona which at this point eases the pain way less considering the absolute shitfest of a Serie A we are having.
 

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I'm riding with Simone till the end of the season, you'll be in rude awakening if he gets replaced by anyone who will for sure be mediocre given how broke ass we are.
 

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As long as Napoli wins it I'll be ok with finishing top 4. But I'll expect winning a title and going as far as possible in the CL. After that we can part ways with Inzaghi at the end of season and switch to the 4 man defence.
 

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I feel like judging how many goals you concede depends on how good your CBs is a very 90s or early 2000s idea.
In short, Pep's Bayern or Barca sometimes don't even play with any CB, and they didn't concede many. That is just an extreme example, but the point is there are so many moving pieces to dissect the defense problem into this. Like the lack of a threat in attack, the more willing the opponent is willing to throw bodies at us.

2 out of 3 CBs have some huge decline individual performances, and I am not referring to plays that has external factors affecting them, like who was pair on the side with them etc. I am talking about ariel duels, toughness on the turn etc.

Obviously, it doesn't help that Inzaghi set the team up in the objective of outscoring the opponent, but if we have the right attackers (budget), this might not even be a concern for us, e.g. killing off the game 3-0 half time, or just plain outscoring them with better conversion rate strikers etc.
Also, I believe one of the reasons we have to over commit with players in our attacking phase is lack of those individual brilliant players, like imagine we have G.Jesus or Vinicius Junior instead of Correa. I doubt we need our CBs to involve in the attack play this heavy, or the risk they need to take, or we would've scored more already.

Sorry didn't realize it is the Lukaku thread and the post above me.
Just want to say the discussion above was wonderful, love reading them.

I am responding here to avoid going off topic on Lukaku's thread.

I strongly disagree with this part.

Obviously, it doesn't help that Inzaghi set the team up in the objective of outscoring the opponent, but if we have the right attackers (budget), this might not even be a concern for us, e.g. killing off the game 3-0 half time, or just plain outscoring them with better conversion rate strikers etc.

It isn't only a matter of budget. You can't realistically expect to outscore your opponents in every match in order to win. No matter how good your forwards are they will occasionally have off days. And that's when you need defence to grind results.

If you want to have title aspirations in Italy you need a good defence. There hasn't been an Italian champion that didn't have a good defence. History has proved it many times.

2021/22: Milan - best defence
2020/21: Inter - best defence
2019/20: Juventus - 3rd best defence
2012-2019: Juventus - best defence
2010/11: Milan - best defence
2007-2010: Inter - best defence
2006/07: Inter - 2nd best defence

I didn't bother searching any further back because result wouldn't change. If you want to win the title in Italy you need a good defence. Period.

You mention Guardiola who is an extreme. What did Guardiola achieve in his first season at City? Barely finished fourth after spending 200m on transfer market while watching Conte win the league. He had to spend 300m the following summer and over 1 billion throughout the years to bring players for his system and maintain a high level of football. We don't have that luxury.
 

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The defensive record this season makes no sense. At home we have conceded the same amount as gobbi(who has the best record in the league), 3 in total. But we turn to crap away from home, 13 conceded. 20 if we count cl,the only cleansheet is away to plzen.

Inzaghi needs to figure out this massive difference.
Inzaghi system works best against teams that decide to park a bus and basically do very little, and that's the majority of teams who come to san siro to play against us. Away from home, teams are much more willing to attack us, to risk it, especially in transition, and that's where we have huge problems.

I think it's proven beyond the doubt that if you want to be the main scuddetto challenger it's best to assembly your team to be a great transition, counterattacking team cos that type of football bodes much better in h2h matches against bigger teams than this possession based, playing at the back football of inzaghi, where you get caught regularly against opponents who know how to punish those open spaces that open up. And last two scuddetto winners prove it, both contes inter and pioli milans were great counterattacking teams and had outstanding h2h against top 6 teams.
 

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I concentrate so much on this robotic rule because it's such a nice summation of why he will never be a coach you can count on to win big things, and I only mentioned one. By the time you get to all of his faults, you get a clearer picture of why we regularly shit the bed against higher level teams.
We've been shitting the bed before Simone though. Are we going to blame Simone for our europa league final fuck up too or are we going to take a closer look at our "core" players and realize that they don't have the requisite ingredients to go up against the higher level teams?

Not to say Inzaghi is blameless, but the blame shouldnt start or stop with him.
 

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Hahahahahaha

Bye bye
 

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Pedulla said Marotta is dissatisfied with Inzaghi and win against Bologna isn't enough. He also needs to win at Bergamo.
 

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I am responding here to avoid going off topic on Lukaku's thread.

I strongly disagree with this part.



It isn't only a matter of budget. You can't realistically expect to outscore your opponents in every match in order to win. No matter how good your forwards are they will occasionally have off days. And that's when you need defence to grind results.

If you want to have title aspirations in Italy you need a good defence. There hasn't been an Italian champion that didn't have a good defence. History has proved it many times.

2021/22: Milan - best defence
2020/21: Inter - best defence
2019/20: Juventus - 3rd best defence
2012-2019: Juventus - best defence
2010/11: Milan - best defence
2007-2010: Inter - best defence
2006/07: Inter - 2nd best defence

I didn't bother searching any further back because result wouldn't change. If you want to win the title in Italy you need a good defence. Period.

You mention Guardiola who is an extreme. What did Guardiola achieve in his first season at City? Barely finished fourth after spending 200m on transfer market while watching Conte win the league. He had to spend 300m the following summer and over 1 billion throughout the years to bring players for his system and maintain a high level of football. We don't have that luxury.

I think you misunderstood my Pep example, it was not for supporting the outscoring theory; it is more for good/bad defensive results are not just due to the CBs, like strong attack threats could alleviate the defense pressure and the offense duties of CBs so they can focus more on the defense aspects on the game, protective layers before the final d-line, possession time etc. For that you don't need to pour 300M to achieve.

However, I think our CBs currently have attention spam problem throughout the entire game.

Back to the title winning and good defense relationship, I can also argue defense can have off days, but I get your point basically the belief is there is an inherit nature of the performance fluctuation regarding to attacking and defending, which attacking can be more volatile. Empirical data is a very good reference, but I would also say there is a huge bias, since there weren't too many attacking teams or teams with the outscoring philosophy in Serie A throughout history, like IF all teams were trying to play a better defense as their focal point, then obviously the best team who wins is going to be the best defense or close to.
On top of bias, I could also argue there are trends and new developments in tactical area, which could lead to different results.
With that said, outscoring would not be my personal preference approach, I am simply not writing it off as it will not work.



--- you can ignore this part, just explaining why I don't prefer the outscoring idea---
To elaborate, I think Inzaghi's outscoring theory might work on an expected value point of view*, but once you think of the probability of outscoring** and stability might not be that great.

Bear in mind though, the probability and # chances are just assigned for a simple example, like in real life it is probably not even random, and the chance of conversion might be different for every chance, it is just a "model" to illustrate my point

*let's say you have 12 chances per game to score, and your opponent has 8 and each chance have a 25% to score then you would expect 3:2
** it will be a joint distribution of both teams scoring p.d.f
 

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I am proper 50/50 about him. So whatever happens, happens.
 

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We’re better off sticking with him through the end of the season. No point in re-rolling the dice at the midwayish point in the season when we’re -3 from 2nd place. We should absolutely revist the technical staff in the summer, but the problem is that I don’t see who the candidates are to step in at this moment. If there’s a 2nd collapse like we saw in September, then perhaps but until then it’s inzaghi ball time.
 

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I was keen to kick him out, especially after the derby with Milan, as I thought he lost the locker room, but it seems that this is not true. As long as he can keep us in top 4, he should stay. We see that apart from Napoli and Inter everybody else drop points against bottom teams. So, if we menage to improve our results against the direct rivals, we should easily make top 4.
 
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