Sebastiano Esposito

[.h.]

You did the starting 11 while nobody said Esposito was anywhere near their level. A team is far more than the starting 11 and the argument Hikonyan used is that he is a nobody at 22 which he says is why basically he'll never make it to a top team and I'm adamant that's not a proof of anything.
Players are different and can perform differently depending on the context.
Before the contractual issues in 2019/2020, Esposito was actually on track to be very special at 17, playing in CL and in Serie A. It wasn't disciplinary issues or lack of talent that made us send him away.
And the talent is still there if you watch him play. 22 and starting in Serie A, and performing. My opinion is that I'd give him a chance over the many Arnautovic and Caicedo we've been signing.

You make it sound like development is linear, though. You're on a special track at 17. Do you know ho wmany kids we've had in the years who were on a special track at 17?

He ballsed up several of his loans since then. He's way behind the development curve of some of his peers.



I did this analysis a few years ago for the full first team, and IIRC, it was basically only D'ambrosio who was a relative unknown at 22. Everyone else was a regular starter, mostly at very high level teams.

Football is a lot harder to make it in than it was 15-20 years ago.

 

[Gaindé]

You make it sound like development is linear, though. You're on a special track at 17. Do you know ho wmany kids we've had in the years who were on a special track at 17?

He ballsed up several of his loans since then. He's way behind the development curve of some of his peers.



I did this analysis a few years ago for the full first team, and IIRC, it was basically only D'ambrosio who was a relative unknown at 22. Everyone else was a regular starter, mostly at very high level teams.

Football is a lot harder to make it in than it was 15-20 years ago.

No development is not linear, I've not written such thing. I wrote that just to say that when he was special at 17 we failed to give him his chance. And still at 22 he is still looking good.
Some of the loans he has been through weren't failures and for most of those teams he was actually very useful/important despite being younger.

 

[Hikonyán]

Nobody is asking for the next Messi. But a better Correa and Arnautovic. Stop pulling discussion to the extreme polar bro.

We dont need players who are just 'better' than Arnautovic and Corea, we need players who are ALOT better. In a whole different stratosphere of quality.

Going from 80% shit to 75% shit serves no purpose.

This is the problem with the hyperbole Esposito fanboy comments here. He has zero experience for a big club and he is an average talent at best. Even if he could perform better than Corea and Arnautovic, it would not be to a significant degree for it to make any difference. Having him develop at a smaller club and eventually be plusvalenza fodder is a far better choice.

If Esposito had the potential some of you claim him to have, he would have shown more by now.

 

[.h.]

IIRC he's been dropped for attitude problems at every one of his clubs except Samp?

When we say thingsd like we didnt give him a chance - he did actually play a couple of decent games at Inter, and only scored that one penalty - and its not like he isnt being evaluated every single day in training

The year after he played for us, he was out on loan to Serie B, scored 3 goals in 28 games, not exaactly proving us wrong in the decision to loan him out

 

[.h.]

We dont need players who are just 'better' than Arnautovic and Corea, we need players who are ALOT better. In a whole different stratosphere of quality.

Going from 80% shit to 75% shit serves no purpose.

This is the problem with the hyperbole Esposito fanboy comments here. He has zero experience for a top and he is an average talent at best. Even if he could perform better than Corea and Arnautovic, it would not be to a significant degree for it to make any difference. Having him develop at a smaller club and eventually be plusvalenza fodder is a far better choice.

ill stress again his brother. Pio looks the real deal. He's got at least a coupel more years of development, and loans, to do before we can even think about him for Inter, but on his current track, we should be getting excited.

I know we want to love all youth that Inter produce, but we need to be better at letting go, and focusing on the guys who are younger, and on the right track

The stankovic brothers, Pio, Zanotti, etc.

 

[Gaindé]

We dont need players who are just 'better' than Arnautovic and Corea, we need players who are ALOT better. In a whole different stratosphere of quality.

Where do you get those? With what money? Where do you find those cheap players that are a LOT better than Arnautovic and Correa, that can potentially challenge Lautaro and Thuram or more probably allow them to rest a bit from time to time?
Esposito actually starting to look good in a Serie A side is something we should hope and be happy about, all players that come from our academy won't be R9 but they can still be useful and play the role of complementary players we've been paying people like Assholovic for.

 

[Hikonyán]

With what money?

With the money we get from selling average plusvalenza fodder like Esposito to smaller clubs.

 

[Corrode]

Where do you get those? With what money? Where do you find those cheap players that are a LOT better than Arnautovic and Correa, that can potentially challenge Lautaro and Thuram or more probably allow them to rest a bit from time to time?
Esposito actually starting to look good in a Serie A side is something we should hope and be happy about, all players that come from our academy won't be R9 but they can still be useful and play the role of complementary players we've been paying people like Assholovic for.

add Taremi to that Correa and Arnautovic list, it's 11M net or 22M gross downed into toilet. None of them can challenge Toro and Thuram as a deadly forward right now.

Inter can solve this mathematic problem by integrating BOTH fresh performed, Sebastiano and Pio Esposito into the first team squad to challenge Toro and Thuram next season.

 

[Gaindé]

With the money we get from selling average plusvalenza fodder like Esposito to smaller clubs.

With the 5M we smartly set as the option we can't even pay Arnautovic, let alone someone better.
We buy old garbage high and sell our youngsters low before giving them a chance but people actually defend that and call you a fanboy if you actually point out how nuts that behavior is.
Players like Esposito are treated like plusvalenza fodder because that's the height of the plan we have for them not because that's actually what they are.
I don't even get your point to be honest. Even if Esposito is only marginally better than the two clowns, getting him and selling the expensive gargage is still a net positive...

 

[.h.]

add Taremi to that Correa and Arnautovic list, it's 11M net or 22M gross downed into toilet. None of them can challenge Toro and Thuram as a deadly forward right now.

Inter can solve this mathematic problem by integrating BOTH fresh performed, Sebastiano and Pio Esposito into the first team squad to challenge Toro and Thuram next season.

Tbh the worst thing we can do for these kids is give them a bit part role at Inter. They need minutes under the belt to develop.

Pio in two years you could use him as a squad player because he'd be developing towards potentially first team starter if he keeps up his current trajectory, but lumping someone like Seba aged 22 with no chance of being the starter he will just end up with a career like Rugani

 

[.h.]

With the 5M we smartly set as the option we can't even pay Arnautovic, let alone someone better.
We buy old garbage high and sell our youngsters low before giving them a chance but people actually defend that and call you a fanboy if you actually point out how nuts that behavior is.
Players like Esposito are treated like plusvalenza fodder because that's the height of the plan we have for them not because that's actually what they are.
I don't even get your point to be honest. Even if Esposito is only marginally better than the two clowns, getting him and selling the expensive gargage is still a net positive...

Before giving them a chance? He's had five seasons of loans...

Not one time has he showed he'd be able to play at Inter and even this season, his strike rate in Serie A is behind Arnautovic's over the last season...

 

[Corrode]

add Taremi to that Correa and Arnautovic list, it's 11M net or 22M gross downed into toilet. None of them can challenge Toro and Thuram as a deadly forward right now.

Inter can solve this mathematic problem by integrating BOTH fresh performed, Sebastiano and Pio Esposito into the first team squad to challenge Toro and Thuram next season.

but these Esposito brothers need to prove something. Hope either or both of them can score at least 20 goals this season at their respective clubs, to impress Simone next season.

 

[Gaindé]

Before giving them a chance? He's had five seasons of loans...

Is that what you call giving them a chance? We've included hot trash like Caicedo in the team, paid Alexis to go away and then got him back, paid for Correa, loaned him out, then kept him this season, paid for Arnautovic and kept him after literally 0 contribution to our scudetto. Those guys actually got a (multiple) chance(s), keeping loaning Esposito over and over is not the same.
Roma is giving Pisilli a chance, Fiorentina is giving Comuzzo a chance. Whatever we did with a promising talent like Esposito is not giving them a chance, it's BS if you ask me.

 

[.h.]

Is that what you call giving them a chance? We've included hot trash like Caicedo in the team, paid Alexis to go away and then got him back, paid for Correa, loaned him, then kept him this season, paid for Arnautovic and kept him after literally 0 contribution to our scudetto. Those guys actually got a (multiple) chance(s), keeping loaning Esposito over and over is not the same.
Roma is giving Pisilli a chance, Fiorentina is giving Comuzzo a chance. Whatever we did with a promising talent like Esposito is not giving them a chance, it's BS if you ask me.

So if we didn't have Caicedo, do you think the 21 minutes of league football he played for Inter in half a season would have been the best way to develop Sebastiano? Rather than playing ~1100 minutes at Genoa as he did instead?

 

[Gaindé]

Esposito never played for Genoa though.
But that doesn't even have anything to do with my point, Caicedo wasn't good enough we knew that when we got him and we still signed him we still gave him a chance to try and contribute and we actually paid for that. That role of scraping minutes here and there, training with great players and trying to show what they're made of actually suits a young striker like Esposito because if you just send them to another club most of the time they will be blocked by older players and coaches that are busy saving their asses before thinking about developing a young talent.
Which is why for example, Dimarco had issues playing at Empoli due to us having the good idea of letting him leave on loan for a club where Pasqual was their starting Left back and the captain.
That's a waste of time. That's not sending them somewhere else to play.

 

[.h.]

Esposito never played for Genoa though.
But that doesn't even have anything to do with my point, Caicedo wasn't good enough we knew that when we got him and we still signed him we still gave him a chance to try and contribute and we actually paid for that. That role of scraping minutes here and there, training with great players and trying to show what they're made of actually suits a young striker like Esposito because if you just send them to another club most of the time they will be blocked by older players and coaches that are busy saving their asses before thinking about developing a young talent.
Which is why for example, Dimarco had issues playing at Empoli due to us having the good idea of letting him leave on loan for a club where Pasqual was their starting Left back and the captain.
That's a waste of time. That's not sending them somewhere else to play.

Sorry I meant Basel!

My point with Caicedo is that if we hadn't have signed him, and given the chance instead of Esposito, he'd have played fuck all minutes which would have been really bad for his development.

In general I agree, clubs we loan players to aren't really incentivised to play then, but that's why it's important for a development perspective to put the guys in hard circumstances where they need to step up and OWN their careers.

Filip Stankovic did exactly that this year at Venezia - out of the squad and has trained and played his way to start (will need to see if it remains true with new management). Alexander Stankovic has shown he deserves to be playing. Pio has demonstrated he deserves to start.

If a younger player can't thrive in challenging circumstances they won't thrive at Inter

 

[PHM1605]

We dont need players who are just 'better' than Arnautovic and Corea, we need players who are ALOT better. In a whole different stratosphere of quality.

Going from 80% shit to 75% shit serves no purpose.

This is the problem with the hyperbole Esposito fanboy comments here. He has zero experience for a big club and he is an average talent at best. Even if he could perform better than Corea and Arnautovic, it would not be to a significant degree for it to make any difference. Having him develop at a smaller club and eventually be plusvalenza fodder is a far better choice.

If Esposito had the potential some of you claim him to have, he would have shown more by now.

Funny that you ignore most of my post because those points are undeniable. COST DIFFERENCE. You know what's worse than "making no impact"? Making no impact while eating the entire resource.

But I notice the flag and understand, Falcao's law at its best Calling others "fanboys" of a nobody kid... just admit your childhood hero is an Inter's waste of money and deal with it. Bologna and Stoke are called "experience for a big club"?

 

[CafeCordoba]

Funny that you ignore most of my post because those points are undeniable. COST DIFFERENCE. You know what's worse than "making no impact"? Making no impact while eating the entire resource.

But I notice the flag and understand, Falcao's law at its best Calling others "fanboys" of a nobody kid... just admit your childhood hero is an Inter's waste of money and deal with it. Bologna and Stoke are called "experience for a big club"?

Not an appropriate post to this otherwise good discussion.

 

[Hikonyán]

But I notice the flag and understand, Falcao's law at its best Calling others "fanboys" of a nobody kid... just admit your childhood hero is an Inter's waste of money and deal with it. Bologna and Stoke are called "experience for a big club"?

Haha yes im such an Arnautovic fanboy... If you look at my post history i have NEVER written a single positive thing about this player, from the moment we were linked with him i disliked the transfer and the player for that matter.

Congrats on making the dumbest post ive read today and welcome to my ignore list.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Okay cool down gents. But @PHM1605 should really find other ways to have the discussion than going at other's nationality like that.