Sebastiano Esposito

[Adriano@10]

It's good that he's back on track with his career.
Let's say he reaches the 20m mark and Empoli decides to sell him, we'd then get 5m plus a 4m bonus from the 20% resale clause.
While a 9m plusvalenza might seem modest, the management might think otherwise.

It's worth noting that this is Esposito's 7th loan spell, which allegedly involved some attitude issues.
It might be a bit unfair to say that the club haven't been patient enough.
I wonder if the penalty he scored after Lukaku gave him the ball when he was 17 might have contributed to his subsequent confidence.

However, we might still have some chance over Esposito despite the buyout option clause, as we seem to have a good relationship with Empoli.
Plus, we are not fully aware of the contract's details, only the resale clause.

We also loaned them our two young strikers previously, and Pinamonti did really well, scoring 13 goals. Then there's Satriano, who scored only 2 goals but was pretty much a regular in their starting lineup. Empoli didn't buy either of them.
Asllani is another example. They let him join us on loan with an option to buy clause.

Just for the record 20 mio would be a record transfer for Empoli their current most expensive sale is vicario at 18mio...
So i d argue chances of him going for 20 mio or higher after 1 good season are rather low. Also his attitude issues were not alledged they were there for everybody to see as he refused to get subbed on in a game with 10 mins left to play at Basel.

 

[brakbrak]

Idk, i remember this forum lusting over certain someone at empoli a few years back too....

 

[Adriano@10]

Idk, i remember this forum lusting over certain someone at empoli a few years back too....

Thats the thing fif probably gets like 1 or maybe 2 under 21 year old players right the rest are all misses...
The list of young players we absolutely could not miss according to fif is fucken endless and 99% of them never amounted to more than a midtable club player

 

[PHM1605]

Idk, i remember this forum lusting over certain someone at empoli a few years back too....

Are you sure not be mistaken with Milan? They hyped like crazy the Empoli duo Bennacer & Krunic that year.
The other one being linked would be an amazing purchase (Vicario).
Even Asllani was a successful deal. Swoop for 10m and he could be sold for at least double, easily.

 

[brakbrak]

Are you sure not be mistaken with Milan? They hyped like crazy the Empoli duo Bennacer & Krunic that year.
The other one being linked would be an amazing purchase (Vicario).
Even Asllani was a successful deal. Swoop for 10m and he could be sold for at least double, easily.

Pinamonti.

 

[#NotForMe]

I don't think Sebastiano and Pinamonti are the same breed, Pinamonti doesn't even fit our system, he is more of a 4-2-3-1 with mass supplies or a weak version of Heskey, but he also lacks a special strength in any area, but he and Sebastiano had incredible good technique for their role respectively(Inter academy is so good), but they are even in the same role; but aside of style, Pinamonti imho I've never seen him as a starter material for us, I always think he can be borderline a 4th striker for us, and if lucky he could develop into a taller and stronger version of F.Inzaghi with more utilities for the team. In short, the potential they show are quite different. Though there are too much unknowns in the career development and since they are not the spectacular type (generational talent that can succeed anywhere), they both can fail to develop at the end of the day. Carboni on the other hand, will at least reach to at least Kovavic's level even if things turn out very rough for him, and that is the different. Just like Coutinho didn't fully reach his potential either.

Pinamonti can work very well as Halaand's back up in short, but given how rich City is, they don't have to limit themselves to him.

For people that only care about "output" and never watch or never see potential, at least should adjust their expectation to the role and play style and remember there are other contributions besides "output" and football is a team sport.

Just put things into perspective, Zirkzee had only 11 goals with 34 games last year, and only 1 goal with 7 games this year; also last year was the second year he was at Bologna.

For the 20M theory, maybe give it 2 years at least, but who knows if he will explode more this year.

P.S. Pinamonti biggest problem for me is his wage. Also for instant impact from backup, normally a veteran is better tbh. Unless it is some fast dribbling youngsters.

 

[.h.]

When was the last time Inter had a striker we really wanted to keep who didn't have significant output?

Pandev?

 

[#NotForMe]

When was the last time Inter had a striker we really wanted to keep who didn't have significant output?

Pandev?

This is actually a good topic, personally I think the reason we normally need/want a high output striker, is traditionally speaking we don't have much of a strong midfield to make plays or get involve in attack at least not to the degree other big teams would do, it is almost what Inter always was; which makes it very unhealthy that when our striker is down, we are down. We always rely on our strikers for goals and attack, which I think it is very different under Simone even the conversion of the team is still ........, plus I think we rarely play with a SS even through history we play a lot 2 strikers system.

It is such an Inter thing, that the striker does it all, Ibra, Ronaldo, Adriano, Vieri, Recoba etc. we give them the ball, they go and fix everything.

 

[Il Drago]

When was the last time Inter had a striker we really wanted to keep who didn't have significant output?

Pandev?

You know it doesn't work like that. When was the last time a quality lb came through Inter ranks? And yet it happened now with Dimarco. Past is just the past. What matters now is a player's talent and his ability to grow into a quality player.

 

[brakbrak]

Not comparing esposito to pinamonti as a player, just pointing out that FIF has a hard bones on some youngster doing well without looking at context and overall development.

 

[.h.]

You know it doesn't work like that. When was the last time a quality lb came through Inter ranks? And yet it happened now with Dimarco. Past is just the past. What matters now is a player's talent and his ability to grow into a quality player.

I dont think that was my point?

at a club like Inter, we need output from our strikers. We can sit there and say, oh, we measure his value in ways other than goals scored all we want, but at the end of the day, we're all fucking buzzing now we've got a reliable (somewhat) goalscorer as a shadow to Lautaro, before that we had a decent one in Dzeko too, before that we were Lautaro-Lukaku banging in goals for fun, and before that, it was really a 1 striker formation with Icardi/Palacio.

How many clubs in the world at our level have a striker who doesnt score or assist on a somewhat regular basis? I'm not saying everyone has to be a 20 a season goalscorer, but you need to score some motherfuckin goals AND contribute in other ways, not just contribute


Thats why I highlight pandev, he's probably the last striker we all liked who wasnt exactly banging in goals/assists on a very regular basis? And that was really 3rd choice (Milito/Eto'o), and then banter era where we went through shitloads of people lie Zarate, Podolski, etc without much success

 

[#NotForMe]

Not comparing esposito to pinamonti as a player, just pointing out that FIF has a hard bones on some youngster doing well without looking at context and overall development.

k but on the side I think Esposito has a higher potential ceiling to start off with, just saying

@.h.
P.S. I got the impression that 2 goals for 7 games is not good, but then you bring out Dzeko, would range from 9-13 goals for 33-36 games, which feels weird cause the ratio are in range, and now you claim you are not looking 20 goal a season? I mean it is too soon to talk, but what you are saying doesn't add up.

Also not to mention the environment and team you play with has impact on your output for better or for worse, like Retegui for example.

 

[.h.]

k but on the side I think Esposito has a higher potential ceiling to start off with, just saying

@.h.
P.S. I got the impression that 2 goals for 7 games is not good, but then you bring out Dzeko, would range from 9-13 goals for 33-36 games, which feels weird cause the ratio are in range, and now you claim you are not looking 20 goal a season? I mean it is too soon to talk, but what you are saying doesn't add up.

Also not to mention the environment and team you play with has impact on your output for better or for worse, like Retegui for example.

2 in 7 isnt statistically significant yet, 2 in 7 could probably end up being 5 in 38 or it could be 15 in 38, we need to see. But my point is, 2 in 7 alone doesnt mean he's "made it" as an established Serie A striker. 20 in 70 at least is more meaningful and you kinda get a better feel for his strike rate.

Also, I was never particularly happy with Dzeko's goalscoring rate for Inter, I always felt he should have offered a bit more tbh, but for example - as a good example - Thuram last season I was pretty happy with, because he contributed a lot as well as assists and goals.

RE the point about Retegui, sure, of course, no dispute - I thought Esposito's first goal at Empoli was actually pretty good, the second one a bit less so, but its more (for me, considering his context) about the quality and instinct that we see rather than the raw output right now

 

[CafeCordoba]

It's good that he's back on track with his career.
Let's say he reaches the 20m mark and Empoli decides to sell him, we'd then get 5m plus a 4m bonus from the 20% resale clause.
While a 9m plusvalenza might seem modest, the management might think otherwise.

It's worth noting that this is Esposito's 7th loan spell, which allegedly involved some attitude issues.
It might be a bit unfair to say that the club haven't been patient enough.
I wonder if the penalty he scored after Lukaku gave him the ball when he was 17 might have contributed to his subsequent confidence.

However, we might still have some chance over Esposito despite the buyout option clause, as we seem to have a good relationship with Empoli.
Plus, we are not fully aware of the contract's details, only the resale clause.

We also loaned them our two young strikers previously, and Pinamonti did really well, scoring 13 goals. Then there's Satriano, who scored only 2 goals but was pretty much a regular in their starting lineup. Empoli didn't buy either of them.
Asllani is another example. They let him join us on loan with an option to buy clause.

Yeah this.

We just want to make some money out of him so we agreed pretty low option. If he plays well, we get the money, done.

Surely that option could have been a tad higher in the first place but I guess the intention was just to get rid of the boy so if he does even okayish, Empoli will redeem him.

If he breaks the bank somehow, we might have to buy him back tho.

 

[Adriano@10]

Yeah this.

We just want to make some money out of him so we agreed pretty low option. If he plays well, we get the money, done.

Surely that option could have been a tad higher in the first place but I guess the intention was just to get rid of the boy so if he does even okayish, Empoli will redeem him.

If he breaks the bank somehow, we might have to buy him back tho.

Man i ll sound like a broken record but people need to chill with that 5mio is to low BS..... Also if he does okayish empoli wont pay 5 mio for him.
Like if they buy him for 5 mio he will be their 3rd most expensive transfer in their fucken history.... Even if 5 mio sounds low to us inter fans it s not for most of serie A.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Man i ll sound like a broken record but people need to chill with that 5mio is to low BS..... Also if he does okayish empoli wont pay 5 mio for him.
Like if they buy him for 5 mio he will be their 3rd most expensive transfer in their fucken history.... Even if 5 mio sounds low to us inter fans it s not for most of serie A.

Yes, that is true. But they can start doing business with Espo in the spring already if he's say worth 8-10M. They just flip him immediately and don't have to worry about the finances on their part, if that would be a problem.

But yes, this low option makes it more likely for Inter that someone grabs him AND we indeed get 5M for the guy. Alternative reality was and still can be he's not gonna have a good season and his value ends up being like 2-3M in the market. The baggage he's gathered in his journey pretty much requires that he needs to start having good seasons so prove his worth and the potential alone won't carry him much further anymore (in terms of people believing him and willingness to invest in him).

 

[#NotForMe]

2 in 7 isnt statistically significant yet, 2 in 7 could probably end up being 5 in 38 or it could be 15 in 38, we need to see. But my point is, 2 in 7 alone doesnt mean he's "made it" as an established Serie A striker. 20 in 70 at least is more meaningful and you kinda get a better feel for his strike rate.

Also, I was never particularly happy with Dzeko's goalscoring rate for Inter, I always felt he should have offered a bit more tbh, but for example - as a good example - Thuram last season I was pretty happy with, because he contributed a lot as well as assists and goals.

RE the point about Retegui, sure, of course, no dispute - I thought Esposito's first goal at Empoli was actually pretty good, the second one a bit less so, but its more (for me, considering his context) about the quality and instinct that we see rather than the raw output right now

Yea, but I think it also doesn't mean "write him off" is my point, I don't think anyone of us think our youngsters are established players; what he has demonstrated so far is leaning more towards good then bad. The thing with buying after a good record, is first it would be way more expensive, second is empirical performance also doesn't guarantee repeat performance (one season wonder), and the time the player is truly established, it will not be in our budget.

BTW, I really recommend you to watch his last game against Napoli the first half he was amazing, a joy to watch; the later half of second half a bit less, cause again he was pushed to be a #9, sometimes the highlights doesn't capture it all.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Yea, but I think it also doesn't mean "write him off" is my point, I don't think anyone of us think our youngsters are established players; what he has demonstrated so far is leaning more towards good then bad. The thing with buying after a good record, is first it would be way more expensive, second is empirical performance also doesn't guarantee repeat performance (one season wonder), and the time the player is truly established, it will not be in our budget.

BTW, I really recommend you to watch his last game against Napoli the first half he was amazing, a joy to watch; the later half of second half a bit less, cause again he was pushed to be a #9, sometimes the highlights doesn't capture it all.

Watched just briefly him in the first half, looked good indeed. Got a good overall rating aswell.

 

[.h.]

didnt start tonight, wonder why, maybe hes been dropped.

 

[CafeCordoba]

It's good to not burn out young players.