Quarter Final: France - England

[Stefan]

They are not entirely wrong!
At the first goal of France that was actually a foul when France took the ball back. And there was another possible penalty for Kane (there was a fault but not sure if in the penalty area).
Overall they exaggerate, but not without reason.

Foul is outside the area, it continues into the box but foul is where it starts not ends, no matter how much the crying English would like to rewrite rules mid match.

 

[Helenio Herrera]

Foul is outside the area, it continues into the box but foul is where it starts not ends, no matter how much the crying English would like to rewrite rules mid match.

Lmao this is just not true, if a defender starts pulling an attacker outside the box but continues to pull on him inside the box, it's still given as a penalty.

Source: https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#disciplinary-action

 

[IM21]

LOLOLOL

https://twitter.com/x/status/1601917090167922689

 

[Corrode]

pengland at best

 

[Stefan]

Lmao this is just not true, if a defender starts pulling an attacker outside the box but continues to pull on him inside the box, it's still given as a penalty.

Source: https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#disciplinary-action

Fair enough then. I haven't seen a pen awarded where the contact starts outside and ends inside.

Seems former refs feel the last contact was outside:

MARK CLATTENBURG: Referee was RIGHT on the big calls

MARK CLATTENBURG: Referee Wilton Sampaio has been heavily criticised for his officiating as England crashed out of the World Cup with a 2-1 defeat to France.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Helenio Herrera]

Fair enough then. I haven't seen a pen awarded where the contact starts outside and ends inside.

Seems former refs feel the last contact was outside:

MARK CLATTENBURG: Referee was RIGHT on the big calls

MARK CLATTENBURG: Referee Wilton Sampaio has been heavily criticised for his officiating as England crashed out of the World Cup with a 2-1 defeat to France.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Oh I wasn't talking about that position, I was talking about the rule in general.

I thought it was technically a penalty because the contact carried over to the penalty box line, which is still considered to be a part of the penalty box. However, I also thought it was extremely soft and didn't find it outrageous for not being given. English players were going down so easily throughout the entire game.

For instance, what Hernandez did was extremely unnecessary and again was technically a penalty, but I still considered it to be soft. I thought the ref was leaning towards the French a bit, but he was at least generally consistent.

 

[wera]

People have complained Martinez fucked up with a golden generation for Belgium, and rightfully so, but Southgate hasn't done much better with a very good generation for England. He needs to go.

Do not agree. Southgate never had an Eden Hazard or Kevin De Bruyne playing for him, also Courtois is probably the best gk in the world atm. Southgate reached EURO final too. Martinez never reached a final and he had a better team

 

[pupivn]

Southgate is the best man-manager for them, he handles media well, unite the group, don’t let bullshit out and make the team likeable. They haven’t had any middle tournament meltdown since he’s in charge. Even something happened like Foden and Greenwood’s covid breach with girl, he took right decision.

His tactic side is OK, take cautious approach. His problem is adjustment and adaptation during game. Just one colour from start to end. His subs are not great.

I think their window of winning with this group of players nearly end with next Euro. For next WC, I don’t see they improve their backline, it could be worse. Upfront is still decent with Bellingham bright spot.

 

[William]

Who even cares

Do not agree. Southgate never had an Eden Hazard or Kevin De Bruyne playing for him, also Courtois is probably the best gk in the world atm. Southgate reached EURO final too. Martinez never reached a final and he had a better team

southgate got the easiest run to a final in the history of knockout competitions that’s why they reached that final

 

[brehme1989]

Who even cares

sputhgate got the easiest run to a final in the history of knockout competitions that’s why they reached that final

And the refs pretty much wanted them there over Denmark.

 

[wera]

maybe he got the easiest run to the final, but at least they made it

I rate Southgate for actually making England a good team after years of complete shithousefuckery and tomfoolery. Some of you don't, your choice. I agree that it's strange how he does subs, but otherwise I rate him higher than Martinez, who should be known as a choker.

Almost none of England's players are rated on this forum... and yet, Southgate should go? Why? What about Spain? What about Portugal? What about Germany? Are you guys implying that England is so much better than these 3? I say nah .. for fucks sake, Italy didn't even make it to the World Cup? Should Mancini go?

 

[William]

maybe he got the easiest run to the final, but at least they made it

I rate Southgate for actually making England a good team after years of complete shithousefuckery and tomfoolery. Some of you don't, your choice. I agree that it's strange how he does subs, but otherwise I rate him higher than Martinez, who should be known as a choker.

Almost none of England's players are rated on this forum... and yet, Southgate should go? Why? What about Spain? What about Portugal? What about Germany? Are you guys implying that England is so much better than these 3? I say nah .. for fucks sake, Italy didn't even make it to the World Cup? Should Mancini go?

I don’t want Southgate to go. I know a few English people who actually want him out so I told them that alone is reason enough for me that he stays on

 

[Stefan]

maybe he got the easiest run to the final, but at least they made it

I rate Southgate for actually making England a good team after years of complete shithousefuckery and tomfoolery. Some of you don't, your choice. I agree that it's strange how he does subs, but otherwise I rate him higher than Martinez, who should be known as a choker.

Almost none of England's players are rated on this forum... and yet, Southgate should go? Why? What about Spain? What about Portugal? What about Germany? Are you guys implying that England is so much better than these 3? I say nah .. for fucks sake, Italy didn't even make it to the World Cup? Should Mancini go?

Mancini won a trophy that is what saved his ass. His boys stepped up when southgate's froze again.
Well seeing as Enrique was fired it was obviously seen as a failure.
Santos should probably go as well, Portugal were poor.
Germany were on a downward trend before flick took over having failed at the last two tournaments. His side didn't play badly just couldn't finish to save their lives. Deserves one more chance.

 

[SiamoNoi]

Who even cares

southgate got the easiest run to a final in the history of knockout competitions that’s why they reached that final

You can say the same for many teams.

Croatia in Russia for example.

Almost none of England's players are rated on this forum... and yet, Southgate should go? Why? What about Spain? What about Portugal? What about Germany? Are you guys implying that England is so much better than these 3? I say nah .. for fucks sake, Italy didn't even make it to the World Cup? Should Mancini go?

Yep,no one is rated but they are still underachievers according to many. How is that even possible?


Hate is eating too many.

 

[Il Drago]

Do not agree. Southgate never had an Eden Hazard or Kevin De Bruyne playing for him, also Courtois is probably the best gk in the world atm. Southgate reached EURO final too. Martinez never reached a final and he had a better team

Guess i am in the minority on the forum but i rate this England squad highly. They don't have Hazard, De Bruyne and Courtois but they have Kane who is one of the best forwards itw, they have a generational talent in Bellingham, they have great talents in Rice, Saka and Foden, they have quality fullbacks, they have Stones who is a very good cb. Let's not pretend like this England squad is bad. It's actually one of the deepest they had in many years. Yes, they reached the final but they failed to beat Italy at home. Circumstances couldn't have been better. In this tournament they faced a France side without Pogba, Kante and Benzema, who were forced to have Rabiot as a starter, they dominated the game and yet they lost.

Also that's why i said Southgate hasn't done much better than Martinez. Obviously Martinez failure is bigger but for me England have underperformed as well. This is a very good generation for English football but they need to win something else they will be remembered with a big fat zero like their previous good ones.

 

[bubba zanetti]

You can say the same for many teams.

Croatia in Russia for example.



Yep,no one is rated but they are still underachievers according to many. How is that even possible?


Hate is eating too many.

Croatia in Russia?? You think Denmark was easy opponent? They beat mighty England in semifinal afterall

 

[Corrode]

no one like England as a entity, that's why people didn't even care

 

[Helenio Herrera]

England arguably had the most complete squad in the tournament. Maybe they were lacking a bit in the CB department but otherwise their national pool is stacked. Only Portugal and France are on a similar level imho. France's biggest weakness is at RB and Portugal had a DM issue along with the Ronaldo question.

England also lost out on their biggest window of opportunity because I don't think Kane will remain as impactful until 2026 due to the injuries he's been getting. Then again Ivan Toney is quite decent so who knows.

 

[Stefan]

Guess i am in the minority on the forum but i rate this England squad highly. They don't have Hazard, De Bruyne and Courtois but they have Kane who is one of the best forwards itw, they have a generational talent in Bellingham, they have great talents in Rice, Saka and Foden, they have quality fullbacks, they have Stones who is a very good cb. Let's not pretend like this England squad is bad. It's actually one of the deepest they had in many years. Yes, they reached the final but they failed to beat Italy at home. Circumstances couldn't have been better. In this tournament they faced a France side without Pogba, Kante and Benzema, who were forced to have Rabiot as a starter, they dominated the game and yet they lost.

Also that's why i said Southgate hasn't done much better than Martinez. Obviously Martinez failure is bigger but for me England have underperformed as well. This is a very good generation for English football but they need to win something else they will be remembered with a big fat zero like their previous good ones.

What quality fullbacks? Would you be happy with either shaw or walker as a Inter fullback...

 

[Il Drago]

What quality fullbacks? Would you be happy with either shaw or walker as a Inter fullback...

Shaw has turned things around and he has been decent in the last two seasons but i had more Walker and Alexander Arnold in my mind when i posted this.

You look at it from the wrong perspective. The important thing isn't if you take them at Inter but how they rank compared to the fullbacks of other national teams.

There's really a shortage of quality fullbacks in top national teams. Especially for rb. Brazil have Danilo. France use Pavard and Kounde, two natural cbs. Germany are forced to use Kimmich as they have no one else. Spain play Marcos Llorente who is a midfielder. Only Molina and our guys, current and ex (Dumfries, Cancelo, Hakimi), can be considered quality rbs but they also have their weaknesses. So when you look at England options compared to the competition they look pretty good.