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Which proposed stadium project do you prefer?


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Well done milan council and Zhang...we will be stuck at a crumbling San Siro while bbilan enjoys a modern stadium.
 

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I would love the idea for us staying at Meazza if we could renovate it with 100-250m and get cheap lease like West Ham got for their stadium?

People go see Colosseum and many other historic sites just cause of the history it carries and for the desing. Imagine in 2060 we would still play games where all the past legends have played with tons of history and memories.

Like in US Boston Red Sox still plays in Fenway park and they sell match tickets and tours tickets like hot cakes.

I posted this link earlier for two different desings for possible renovations for the Meazza stadium and both of them have decent corporate spaces and seats to increse revenues.

Just imagine us earning €40 million less then milan...It's already impossible to use the top tier due to safety concerns...
 

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Nothing impossible on use that top tier as vip area and why would Milan earn €40mil more at new stadium?
 

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Because its brand new with shops , restaurants, museum, VIP seats all around and concert hostings + stadium naming rights that will generate crazy amount of money compared to the outdated concrete beast of Meazza.

We're gonna be left so far behind if its going through.
 

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The thing with San Sesto Giovanni or some other area is that it might not be the same as with San Siro district. The initial financial projections included the commercial surroundings like all these shops, restaurants etc mentioned above. It's not the same if the stadium locates in San Sesto Giovanni vs San Siro. In other words, the building costs are the same, but the projected revenues might be lower.

AFAIK the issue with the Cathedral project in place of Meazza is that city council has demanded less space to be used for it ie. less space for the commercial surroundings which means the same thing, less projected revenues. Possible that was just way for some people to deny blowing up Meazza by doing these demands which then leads clubs to forget the idea because of the lesser projected revenues. Politics, politics.
 

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Because its brand new with shops , restaurants, museum, VIP seats all around and concert hostings + stadium naming rights that will generate crazy amount of money compared to the outdated concrete beast of Meazza.

We're gonna be left so far behind if its going through.
Did you even look for those two desings? Both of those had plenty of new spaces for new shops, restaurants, museum, VIP seats (first one would have 9500 corporate seats) and no one has said that Meazza can’t be renamed or getting a additional naming rights to get extra revenue?

The stadium would not be outdated concrete beast, but renovated beatiful old stadium with modern nicknacks, but fraction of the cost of building a complete new one.

When Milan leaves we would have upper hand for negotions on that new lease and there would be more available weekends to host concerts as Milan would be at their new shitty stadium.
 

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Clubs have explained many times why renovating Meazza isn't a realistic option.


Milan President Paolo Scaroni insists it’s ‘impossible and dangerous’ to renovate San Siro, so the Rossoneri and Inter are considering different areas to build their new stadium.


The Milanese sides have reportedly decided to demolish the Stadio Meazza in 2027 as part of the project for ‘The Cathedral’ a new stadium for Inter and Milan built in the area of San Siro.


However, they won’t be able to start building works before 2027 and the project must go through a public debate to be approved by citizens living in the area.


Milan President Paolo Scaroni attended a press conference in Milan today, insisting that it’s impossible to renovate the current stadium.


“There are many reasons, but I will tell just one,” he said as quoted by Milannews.


“How can we welcome more than 50,000 every six days while works are ongoing? I can ensure that it’s something impossible and dangerous.


“Other clubs managed to do so because they were alone and were able to play elsewhere for some time.”


One of the most prominent examples is Real Madrid who played competitive games at their training ground Valdebebas during the pandemic, in the initial phase of the Bernabeu’s renvation.


“Every time I hear someone saying that we should renovate San Siro I think they don’t understand or want to do anything at all,” continued Scaroni.


“We want to do something new, either at San Siro or elsewhere.”

Antonello:

“So, the first question to answer was the following: why can’t we renovate San Siro? Well, I’m sure you’re all very familiar with the history of San Siro. Here we wanted to show you the architectural structure: a first deck on 1926 (Primo Anello), then on top of it a second deck in 1956 (Secondo Anello) and a third deck in 1990 (Terzo Anello E Tetto).

“As you can see in the picture, these facilities were overlapped, one on top of the other, but they do not really inter-connect between each other and as a result of it, over time there has been really uncomfortable issues that that are depicted here, i.e.: today, the San Siro has a space available for the different activities carried out before and after the match and this space is 24,000 square meters; the European benchmark is actually about 100,000 square meters of needed space, so there is definitely shortage of space here. And then the second important bullet point to be highlighted is visibility: the first deck, nowadays, because of its architectonical structure offers and provides just visibility on the pitch and on the ground, so fans do not have any possibility to look around them in the stadium.

Another important point is the comfort on the stands: I think all of you have been to San Siro at least once and when you actually sit down, you’ll have realized that there is not enough room to move between one seat to the other. And so in accordance to the new regulations, these spaces will have to be expanded because the current are not compliant with current regulations. And then there’s a problem with services, especially affecting the second and third decks: there are roughly 50k visitors, fans, coming to the stadium and they do not have suitable services: bars, restaurants, and toilets – not as suitable as what Milano as a city would deserve.
Here we want to walk you through the project, the renovation project: it really took a while to come to this conclusion and after thorough research we realized that if we wanted to adopt this view of renovation of the stadium, very important – huge works – are required. First of all, the demolishing of the current facilities depicted in red: you see the San Siro area to be demolished, so the first deck would have to be redone completely and then some work would be required on the third deck, on the towers and also we’d need to lower the roof. In the second stage, we’d have to redo and do a radical refurbishment of the establishment of the existing facilities and start with the construction of the first deck and of the terraces and also the hospitality area in the west wing.

“So, after this renovation project, the conclusion we drew was the following: At the end of the day, today’s San Siro would lose its identity, it would no longer be recognizable, but there would be a problem of capacity because the restructured-renovated San Siro would be less than 60,000 seats whereas this can be offered by a new stadium, so we’d still have to deal with issues like spaces and services because we have the west wing that is difficult to extend because there is a problem that we can’t expand and encroach upon the property opposite to the stadium.

And then there would be a problem of safety and security because carrying out work during the football season because having two clubs playing at San Siro would lead to security issues that would definitely not be suitable for sport activity. We thought of our fans, obviously, so if we were to actually renovate the San Siro stadium, we’d be forced to ask our fans to migrate, so to speak, to another facility 100-200km away, with a capacity that would be definitely much lower than the San Siro capacity. So it would definitely be very uncomfortable for our fans, also from an economic point of view. For us, as clubs, to leave Milano and move to stadiums with lower capacity would entail an economic impact.
 

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Clubs have explained many times why renovating Meazza isn't a realistic option.




Antonello:
I’m not sure witch ”study” Antonello was talking about, but seems like that was what stadiumdb also adressed that in that link I shared?

Well this was written in that link…

”As much is true if you read the Technical and Economic Feasibility Studyreleased in late September. We've gone through the study and it's not really a study, at best it's a leaflet summarising an actual study. Barely 3 pages of justification as to why San Siro isn't a viable option. That is not convincing at all, it looks purposefully vague especially in areas that are clearly arguable, like achieving capacity of over 58,000 (which the study claims is impossible despite being very clearly possible).

Put simply, the document seems to have been written to justify an already agreed upon outcome, which is to build a brand new stadium next to San Siro and then demolish the old stadium and replace it with commercial use.”


It seems to me that Antonello and Scaroni really just wanted a new stadium and got this hasty ”stydy” made for justify the demolition for historic site.

All those ”problems” aren’t really a problems if you actually read those propositions. I think if we would ennoble those plans we would find really good solutions to renovate Meazza and increase our revenues.

I think it’s dangerous not to keep open mind of things and I’m not against a new stadium, but I’m maybe more realistic than most here and I think it’s not impossible but nearly impossible to get new stadium build in Italy, or you have to build it somewhere it will not make any sense. We also don’t have those kind of money to build a new stadium alone. But if we can build a new stadium before I’m death, then great!

But I think renovation is most realistic option to us without Milan and the mayor of Milan would also support that project.
 
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Now Gazzetta goes with the story that our plan B is also our own stadium. A private land (which is a secret where it is :lol:) and inside Milano.
 

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Did you even look for those two desings? Both of those had plenty of new spaces for new shops, restaurants, museum, VIP seats (first one would have 9500 corporate seats) and no one has said that Meazza can’t be renamed or getting a additional naming rights to get extra revenue?

The stadium would not be outdated concrete beast, but renovated beatiful old stadium with modern nicknacks, but fraction of the cost of building a complete new one.

When Milan leaves we would have upper hand for negotions on that new lease and there would be more available weekends to host concerts as Milan would be at their new shitty stadium.
You can't sell naming rights to something you don't own. If you could both milan & inter would have sold rights to San siro ages ago...
 

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You can't sell naming rights to something you don't own. If you could both milan & inter would have sold rights to San siro ages ago...
I think that is possible to renegotiate if we get a new lease, with new terms and we would be the only club so it would be much easier renegotiate as we would get a upper hand as we would be only club.

We also need to resolve how much Inter would invest for a renovation and how much city of Milan would pay and what the rent would be? Those costs/details will dictate basicly those naming rights.

Like city of Stuttgart holds 60 percent and VfB Stuttgart 40 percent of the stadium and stadium was renamed to Mercedes Benz stadium to get extra revenue.

West Ham got that crazy cheap 2m/year rent for next 99 years and they only paid 27m from the renovation and city paid rest of +200m. But it’s a multi purpose stadium and it’s called London Stadium for that reason. So thats why West Ham got basicly free newly renovated stadium with low payments, but get much more revenue from bigger capacity and other services.

I think for us it would be best if we paid for the renovation 150-250m and we would own the naming rights and other revenue from games and other shows, but City of Milan would own the land and get some rent from Inter. It would be win win for both parties.

City of Milan is favor of the renovation and it would be the quickest way to increase our revenues. I also have really big doubts of us getting a new stadium project going with Suning financial situation. This renovation would be fraction of the cost compared to new stadium and would not have all the hassle from how far the new stadium is, do we get transport to the stadium, can we get enough police on games…

So all these so called ”problems” arent really problems and we humans are great at solving problems.
 

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Now Gazzetta goes with the story that our plan B is also our own stadium. A private land (which is a secret where it is :lol:) and inside Milano.

AC Milan are not alone in looking to vacate San Siro as Inter also have plans to build their own new stadium, according to a report.

This morning’s edition of La Gazzetta dello Sport (via Calciomercato.com) report that Inter have been working in great secrecy for some time to detach themselves from the Rossoneri and carry out the idea of a solo stadium.

The location is top secret and Inter don’t want to risk ruining agreement already signed with the entrepreneur who owns the private land over which the management and the owners of Inter have reached an agreement.

However, the fact that there have already been visits to the site, inspections and project ideas, it is yet another strong sign of how by now the two clubs have drifted apart.

How has it happened? There is now a tense relationship between the Nerazzurri president Steven Zhang and AC Milan’s new owner, Gerry Cardinale. The latter has repeatedly promised a meeting with Zhang regarding the stadium since September without ever following through, which strained relations and disrupted the dialogues.
 

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This would be really great, but I don’t get my hopes up :lol:
 

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What if Stivie has already built the stadium, on a secret land, it is foldable, now it is folded and nobody can see it.
On Tiktok there is a lot of videos showing foldable furniture from Chinese, so I have a hope.
 

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What if Stivie has already built the stadium, on a secret land, it is foldable, now it is folded and nobody can see it.
On Tiktok there is a lot of videos showing foldable furniture from Chinese, so I have a hope.
where is the stadium? on South China sea? 😄 😄
 

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Sala Milan's Mayor: "I've called Milan and Inter: they'll be at the City Hall tomorrow morning. While it's clear to me that Milan are looking with interest at La Maura, I haven't understood where Inter are looking. Tomorrow we'll clarify"
 

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Sala Milan's Mayor: "I've called Milan and Inter: they'll be at the City Hall tomorrow morning. While it's clear to me that Milan are looking with interest at La Maura, I haven't understood where Inter are looking. Tomorrow we'll clarify"
They’ll be fucking clarifying in 2046. How does anything in Italy get done with all the red tape?
 
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