Firstly he took Leira to fifth position, and not third. Maybe we should get Jamie Pacheco who took Boastiva to their first title that year.
He took them to the third place, there is a mistake. He says third place, and in all the biographys it says it was third and UEFA cup spot. I don't know why they have 5th. Maybe Leiria was involved in some match fixing and they adjusted the table after couple of years I don't know.
But Jose clearly says 3rd in his interview to BBC when he was still coaching chelsea.
And 3rd place was to this day the highest place of Leiria, and the only one they played UEFA Cup.
If Mourinho would have gone to Barca or Madrid, and won two titles on the trot, you still wouldnt have wanted him.
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Give me an unlimited budget, I could have won the league with Chelsea. Okay, maybe not me. But any other dumb idiotic coach could. Just look at what Grant did. If Jose would have not dropped them to 8th place, they would have been champions under Grant.
Again, all this dumb talk about Grant. Grant is fired! Not even that. He is not linked to anyone, and there were couple of jobs in EPL for taking this year. He did nothing comparing to Mourinho, because he was there only 8 months, and that is nothing to judge the coach for. If he would stay as long as Jose, we would then see how he did.
And this unlimited budget... :> I'm sure you would buy Messi, Ronaldo, Kaka, Ramos, Buffon and such right ?
First, money can't buy it all. Secondly, no denial that Chelsea had a lot of money, but so did Man Utd, Arsenal and partly Liverpool(it's not like in Italy for past couple of years), and Jose still won it so convincingly with the record of points in one season. Money can't win you anything if other clubs are also as good as you, and have/are spending, money.
You could probably win it in Italy, I can give you that, just because other teams were so inferiour to ours, and we had the best squad of all. Much better, but in England there were couple of very equal teams in terms of depth and it would be completely different.
He gave them quotes, so gullible people can read it, and wank over it.
Worked as charm didn't it?
People and press were talking about him, and his arrogence, rather than about the players.
Success depends a lot on money.
Where did I said it doesn't ??? "No quality - no chance". Familiar with the term I already quoted here couple of times ?
Chelsea were already something under Ranieri. He took them to second spot, just after one year of spending $100mill. Had Abra stgick with him, and given him another $100mills, he would have won the title.
Yeah, but he didn't stick with him. In fact he went to Valencia where he didn't do great either, and then it was Parma, and now JuBe, where he pretends he knows what he is doing. It is all just pure guess what you're doing. The facts are simple, that it was Jose who won 2 titles, not Ranieri.
You like to guess? I like too. I can easily say following you in this, that if Jose would take over Ranieri from the start of Abramovich era, he would have won the title right away, not the second place. Like it ?
What he says, is what any idiot can say. Most of the managers are too respectful to say that. He is a smart man though. He knows how to make gullible people like him.
Have you watched the interview yet or not?
Don't be limited man. I've read from many milan and JuBe fans, what I just told you about his comments.
Ballack did very well under Grant. It was Jose's fault that he couldnt stick him in to the team.
It was Joses fault? If Roman would buy him 30 new players, it would be also Joses fault he couldn't possibly deal with it ?
Jose is the coach, not Abramovich. No coach in the world, and especialy no Jose, would be OK with doing something against his will, AND after that demand the results.
He didnt need the money, cause Pinto da costa, was whoring prostitutes to the refs. He was buying refs instead of the players.
All the way to the final of CL and UEFA Cup also ?
Hiddink despite leading a team like PSV for just a few years, has had more success in CL than Mourinho.
Please, do tell.
He didnt give them good quotes. The press were affected by his boring nature, and by their love for Jose. It would only take an idiot to bash Grant, for what he had done for Chelsea.
Nobody is bashing Grant of anything. What I'm doing, is bashing people who compare Joses accomplishments to 8 month spell of Grant in Chelsea.
The pressure in England is much less than pressure in Italy or Spain. The only time one really faces pressure in England is when they become the head of the NT.
Again... first you say, there is less presure(with which I agree BTW, but it's still significant amount, just not as much as in Italy/Spain), and then you say the only time... A little contradictory we are here shahz, aren't we ?
He has the weight of expectations. Every one thinks of him as the miracle worker and he never disappoints. He leads teams to places that no one else. (except for that teams fans) expects him to lead to.
You got some point there, but I won't agree the pressure is the same as in the top 5-6 teams in the EURO. Only ignorants would demand Russia or Korea or anyone else to do well basing on his accomplishments. Sure, he was hired because of that reason, but that doesn't mean anything when the real game starts.
ALSO... you think Jose was hired just because he won 2 portuguese titles with Porto?
Champions Lea.... shhhhhh :>
Hiddink can do that.
Ok!
Bring him on tommorow ! :>
Realistically I think Hiddink can take a team like Firoentina to the title.
I can say the same about Jose.
Really???? I wonder why Chelsea never won anything before Abrahimovic. Must be a coincidence that they are winning all this shit now.
You misunderstood me. I've said money doesn't mean a succes, I didn't say they are irrelevent. No quality - no chance. Money means only a better chance. More money you have - better chance. But a big NO - NO, that money equals success.
Fersguson has a better record than him, and so does Rijkaard.
Shahz, did you read my sentence or you just looked at it hastly?
Ferguson won 2 CL cups over 20 years!!! The first came after 10 years of coaching Man Utd.
Ferguson has a better record, because he is coaching Man Utd for 20 years for God sake. And maybe you forgot it took 5 years for him to win his first EPL title. Do you remember how many years it took for Jose to do the same ?
And Rijkaard. You got to be kiddink me here. Rijkaard won 2 league titles and CL, all with BARCELONA. Jose won 2 league titles with Chelsea, and CL title and UEFA title with PORTO.
In tearms of silverware there is no one in sane mind that would say Rijkaard achieved more. But the one thing you can say here, is exact same thing I've said about Ferguson. Rijkaard was coaching shorter at the highest club level than Jose, so all we have to do now, is just wait and see
Jose is already coaching Inter after Chelsea spell. I wonder, where will Rijkaard end up. Also Grant for that matter
This isnt a very smart point. Why is managing a top club more respectable than managing a country?
It's not. IF, you coach Holland, Italy, Spain, Brasil, Argentina, for example. If you coach Korea, Australia, you mean to tell me, it's the same as coaching Barcelona, Real, Inter, Milan, Man Utd and such ?
Just because clubs can make you your fan, and have started making more money, doesnt mean its the real think.
Hiddink likes a challenge, rather than being handed things on a golden platter like at Chelsea or Inter. Hiddink takes on a challenge, like the one at S.Korea, Australia, PSV and now Russia.
He is being paid by these clubs a very good amount. Why should he go back to European club football?
Hmmmm. He likes chalange... ? I don't know, does he? How can you be sure of this?
Maybe he does like it, or maybe he doesn't. I can say the Monza C2 coach also likes the chalange because he coaches Serie C2 side according to your logic
Korea fine, Australia fine, but 3 NT that aren't that prestiguos ? It makes me wonder.
Everybody likes the chalange, but nobody likes to loose, and I didn't hear Hiddink turned down Real Madrid, Barcelona or Chelsea along the way. I don't think it is him who is rejecting the opportunity. I think it is the fact, that opportunity didn't come along. At least, that's what is most logical and probable.
Anyways, I think we are just repeating points after points. You stick to your evaluation of Jose, and I will stick to my evaluation of Hiddink.
I see you aren't that happy with Jose shahz. I thought you were pretty much satisfied with him hired as inter coach. What happened ?
10 years of FIF
