Mercato Team (Ausilio, Marotta, & Co.) and Strategies

[Adriano@10]

I very much admid this. We are in a good place. But I do feel there is so much more to get out of this team atm. We have a really good core and with a few investments (imo; cb, rwb, ss) we could have really made a attempt the CL. We are not far from the ‘elite top clubs’ as Real Madrid and Man City imo.

We just lack of funds. With this management and the funds we had in the Moratti or first years of the Suning era, we would dominate Serie A for the years to come. And we would have a good shot at CL too.

Arguably we made a very decent attempt at CL two years back when we had a worse team and lost in a tight final to city. Imho the current team is better or atleast deeper. I do not think we are financially in the position to significantly upgrade our starting eleven as we d basically have to buy a WC player in or close to his prime to do so.... From the positions you mentioned RWB would probably be the cheapest to upgrade and even there IMHO we d have to spend 30 to have a sure upgrade on Denzel....

Imho chances of us dominating serie a for years to come and having a shot at CL are not that bad atm and big buys that turn out to be misses might derail us from that path just as likely as inactivity on the maret might do that. Anyways imho we re right to play it safe this season as we will have the strongest squad in serie A and we have the advantage of being the only big team without massive changes to the squad or coach. If everything goes well we ll have a much clearer view on our finances next summer as well we ll know better where the competition stands.
Then next season hopefully we can go on and maybe improve one or two starting spots in the squad without risking our finances going to shit again if they turn out to be misses.

 

[Stefan]

What? With brozo it was literally everything to many brain farts shit attitude and highly inconsistent...
Also what exactly is fratesis role in this team? Not like he has a defined role like most of the other mids.....
ALso disagree on the easier to correct like it depends on how good of a passer you wat fratesi to become and also on whats his role gonna be, then again imho he s not a horrible passer....
We ve seen plenty of "great" players that we re just absolute shit decision makers through ut their whole career so i m not sure which is easier to fix.

Btw in no shape or form am i arguing for him to be a starter ATM he s not there yet, i m just ot ready to exclude it.

Frattesi role is meazala as he is competing with barella & mkhy.
How is frattesi not a a horrible passer...Man managed under 50% vs Spain for Italy and wasn't the first game where he puts up such numbers. In a team that plays possession based football you need to be a very good - great passer.
For facts looking at rbref at all our mids he is the only one with an under 80% pass rate. At 77%, Zielinski at 82% is the only close to him and we know he had his worse season ever.
And its not cause he playing more progressive passes, he has the lowest average per 90 mins.
He is in the bottom 3 percentile when it comes to passing.

Attitude & inconsistency are easier to correct then passing ability.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Please do not use Frattesi's terrible passing percentage in one euro game in horrible Italy team as an argument to anything.

Look at his scoring ability instead (from last season).

 

[Stefan]

Guarro said we failed to get gudmundsson cause we couldnt get rid of correa and are too soft with arnautovic...

Congrats management on sucking your cocks for 2 months.

Wouldn't take him even if Genoa offered to pay us to take him.

 

[Stefan]

Please do not use Frattesi's terrible passing percentage in one euro game in horrible Italy team as an argument to anything.

Look at his scoring ability instead (from last season).

That was only example.

The other stats are his passing stats over the last 365 days. It is in the bottom 3 percentile of midfielders.
If he was playing in a counter attacking team he would be fine but big teams don't play that way anymore for 90% of games.

We all know he is a good goal scorer but that's not the main midfield role. Maybe he should convert to a striker.

 

[Adriano@10]

Frattesi role is meazala as he is competing with barella & mkhy.
How is frattesi not a a horrible passer...Man managed under 50% vs Spain for Italy and wasn't the first game where he puts up such numbers. In a team that plays possession based football you need to be a very good - great passer.
For facts looking at rbref at all our mids he is the only one with an under 80% pass rate. At 77%, Zielinski at 82% is the only close to him and we know he had his worse season ever.
And its not cause he playing more progressive passes, he has the lowest average per 90 mins.
He is in the bottom 3 percentile when it comes to passing.

Attitude & inconsistency are easier to correct then passing ability.

His pass rate for last season was at 81.5% n serie a... not sure where you get the 77% from... he also has better assist per minute and expected assist per 90 mins... Mater of fact he is amongst the top when it comes to assists and goals per 90 mins.
But who cares he was horrible in a italy side where everybody looked horrible he must be shit.

Also please go watch any brozo game before spalletti moved him and tell me how the fuck that looks like an easier fix than frattesi

 

[Pimpin]

Funny fact: Paying what Porto asked for Taremi instead of Arna, we would have make it that round against Atletico and got the money back from qualification. And now we would have the same team but without the problem of having to find a club for Arnatunovic.

Fucking BINGO

 

[Alex de Large]

So you suggest we would have spent our money on Taremi and thus not being able to spend on Pavard but still think we would have gone beat Atletico? Because Pavard made the mistake there, or what's the logic here? How about the Scudetto then?

Or do you mean we would have signed Taremi and Pavard? Then we might aswell argue many other players we could have signed instead of this and that, not considering the economic aspects of the mercato at all (which to me is pretty useless).

edit. Also, it's bold to call something, what you just said, a fact.

We sign Pavard anyway.
How much Porto was asking for Taremi? 20m? put 12m because we avoid paying 8m for Arna. How much do we win reaching CL semis?

 

[CafeCordoba]

We sign Pavard anyway.
How much Porto was asking for Taremi? 20m? put 12m because we avoid paying 8m for Arna. How much do we win reaching CL semis?

Porto asked 30M and I remember one rumor we had offered 22M. Pavard cost us 30M, Arna cost us 8M + 2M (paid only 4M last summer). That's 34M commitment last summer, rest paid later. That's very different to over 20M we would have had to pay to Porto for Taremi at the time we needed the striker.

You also know it's ridiculous to make such a claim we definitely would have advanced to CL quarters if we signed Taremi instead of Arnautovic. Let alone advancing to CL semis.

 

[.h.]

Porto asked 30M and I remember one rumor we had offered 22M. Pavard cost us 30M, Arna cost us 8M + 2M (paid only 4M last summer). That's 34M commitment last summer, rest paid later. That's very different to over 20M we would have had to pay to Porto for Taremi at the time we needed the striker.

You also know it's ridiculous to make such a claim we definitely would have advanced to CL quarters if we signed Taremi instead of Arnautovic. Let alone advancing to CL semis.

Quite
MF hasn't even played a competitive game for inter yet...

 

[IM21]

Wouldn't take him even if Genoa offered to pay us to take him.

its not about gudmundsson, but about our incompetence of getting rid of correa and talking nice things about aranutoshit.

 

[Pimpin]

So you suggest we would have spent our money on Taremi and thus not being able to spend on Pavard but still think we would have gone beat Atletico? Because Pavard made the mistake there, or what's the logic here? How about the Scudetto then?

Or do you mean we would have signed Taremi and Pavard? Then we might aswell argue many other players we could have signed instead of this and that, not considering the economic aspects of the mercato at all (which to me is pretty useless).

edit. Also, it's bold to call something, what you just said, a fact.

arnautovic alone cost uus like 2-3 goals vs atletico man. come the fuck on

 

[.h.]

sure, but we dont know if taremi is gonna be any good or not yet... and you can blame lautaro, thuram, etc as much..

 

[ADRossi]

sure, but we dont know if taremi is gonna be any good or not yet... and you can blame lautaro, thuram, etc as much..

Hard to blame Thuram when he was out hurt.

 

[.h.]

Hard to blame Thuram when he was out hurt.

motherfucker should have been fit

i jest, but in fairness, he did play 147 minutes across two legs...

 

[Kramerica Industries]

Arguably we made a very decent attempt at CL two years back when we had a worse team and lost in a tight final to city. Imho the current team is better or atleast deeper. I do not think we are financially in the position to significantly upgrade our starting eleven as we d basically have to buy a WC player in or close to his prime to do so.... From the positions you mentioned RWB would probably be the cheapest to upgrade and even there IMHO we d have to spend 30 to have a sure upgrade on Denzel....

Imho chances of us dominating serie a for years to come and having a shot at CL are not that bad atm and big buys that turn out to be misses might derail us from that path just as likely as inactivity on the maret might do that. Anyways imho we re right to play it safe this season as we will have the strongest squad in serie A and we have the advantage of being the only big team without massive changes to the squad or coach. If everything goes well we ll have a much clearer view on our finances next summer as well we ll know better where the competition stands.
Then next season hopefully we can go on and maybe improve one or two starting spots in the squad without risking our finances going to shit again if they turn out to be misses.

I don't think I need to explain that the 2023 CL Final run was, in no small part, the byproduct of favorable draws. It is what it is, we had no control over the draws, we just did our part, but we went through two Portuguese teams and a 5th-placed (on points earned) Milan side, while Man City got to the final having to go through the likes of Bayern and Real Madrid. Swap those two around, and odds are Man City still reaches the final, while we would've likely been challenged by Rasenballsport and surely dispatched by Bayern after that if we got there.

When we did face a team on the same level as us last year, we played them to a draw and then lost on penalties.

 

[Il Drago]

while we would've likely been challenged by Rasenballsport and surely dispatched by Bayern after that if we got there.

I giggle each time i see you using that silly name they chose to bypass DFB rules.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Hard to blame Thuram when he was out hurt.

He missed a breakaway in the 2nd leg to put the game to bed when the score was 1-1 in the second half. He did play in both matches.

What I just wanna say is blaming one single player for his team not beating another team in 2-leg matchup is just plain fucking ridiculous. This narrative of blaming Arnautovic for that matchup loss is something I cannot understand.

First, this is a team sport. One player alone cannot win or lose a matchup.

Second, Arnautovic played 45 minutes in that matchup. For example the mentioned Thuram played 45 minutes in the 1st leg and 102 minutes in the second leg. So should we blame Thuram more? Who btw didn't even score a goal in this matchup while Arnautovic did. No, we shouldn't blame him because this is a team sport.

 

[Stefan]

His pass rate for last season was at 81.5% n serie a... not sure where you get the 77% from... he also has better assist per minute and expected assist per 90 mins... Mater of fact he is amongst the top when it comes to assists and goals per 90 mins.
But who cares he was horrible in a italy side where everybody looked horrible he must be shit.

Also please go watch any brozo game before spalletti moved him and tell me how the fuck that looks like an easier fix than frattesi

The stats are based on all games he played in the last 365 days. His passing is poor in any objective statistic. In a possession based side that is a massive problem. In a counter attacking side its ok.

Never disputed his goal scoring ability but a top team midfielder needs more then that if he is playing meazala else he needs to play as a forward.

Also I saw each and every brozo game so well aware how he looked. Still of the opinion his issues were easier to fix then a passing skill issue.

But each to their own. Time will of frattesi becomes world class...

 

[rockball]

The issue with Frattesi is of technique. Those are the basics. You can't learn that at this age.

Brozovic had the basics right. It was more a matter of role and understanding on the pitch. Those can improve with the right guidance and coaching.