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I dont know, thats why I asked a simple question - has anyone seen anything in him to suggest he will actually be worth taking the bet on? I haven't paid enough attention to him, so I dont know. I'd say its *unlikely* but by no means impossible.

the thing to remember, if we were to use (say) Pasa as an example, that was a kid I thought had good potential - I'm not sure he's even a professional full time footballer now. Dont underestimate the 'range' of potential.
It's difficult to list his qualities to convince he is the next star since he hasn't been featuring much and there are no stats to back the argument. I gave you a comparison, you have watched Bellanova for enough time to understand his level. I honestly didn't notice anything special in him except for his speed which he has been demonstrating whenever there was a counter attack opportunity. Zanotti showed that too and he struck me as someone who has better tactical awareness. His movements on the pitch were more logical to me. Maybe I'm biased because I remember Bellanova getting on my nerves for constantly backpassing and doing nothing in attack. I forgot the exact match, but since then he is a big no no for me.
 

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Zanotti's played 26 min total. Maybe Inzaghi, the guy who seems him day in day out in training, has a more informed opinion tbh.
 

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Zanotti's played 26 min total. Maybe Inzaghi, the guy who seems him day in day out in training, has a more informed opinion tbh.
Inzaghi had been starting Handa for like 10 weeks before switching to Onana who was an obvious choice for everyone except for him. He start utilizing the latter only when media started to criticize Handa. I wouldn't trust Inzaghi's ability to judge a player's potential.
 

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Inzaghi had been starting Handa for like 10 weeks before switching to Onana who was an obvious choice for everyone except for him. He start utilizing the latter only when media started to criticize Handa. I wouldn't trust Inzaghi's ability to judge a player's potential.
In fairness, it was also about immersion into Italy, the team, etc. Starting GK is a bit of a different proposition.
 

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Pointless to discuss this since we all know Inzaghi won't trust anyone younger than 25 year old. He'd rather die than give a first-team experience to Zanotti.

Wondering what would have happened to Messi's career if we had him as 18 old and Inzaghi as a manager.
 

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But Inzaghi gave first team experience to Zanotti.

I'ts a bit strawman argument to claim Inzaghi wouldn't have given Messi any opportunities. As if we've had any youngster who's even remotely close to Messi's talent level. Like, come on.
 

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But Inzaghi gave first team experience to Zanotti.

I'ts a bit strawman argument to claim Inzaghi wouldn't have given Messi any opportunities. As if we've had any youngster who's even remotely close to Messi's talent level. Like, come on.
Juventus doesn't have Messis either but they still introduce plenty of talents. Fagioli best U23 on top.

Inzaghi prefers Gagsi over Asllani and there is zero valid excuse to mask. Ok tactical difference this and that but did he nurture successfully any Primavera in his 5 years at Lazio too? Coach preference isn't that hard to see.
 

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Juventus doesn't have Messis either but they still introduce plenty of talents. Fagioli best U23 on top.

Inzaghi prefers Gagsi over Asllani and there is zero valid excuse to mask. Ok tactical difference this and that but did he nurture successfully any Primavera in his 5 years at Lazio too? Coach preference isn't that hard to see.
Did Allegri nurture successfully some Primavera players? Or what is this reference to Juve. Fagioli played at Serie B last season. Do we have talents at similar lever to Fagioli?
 

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Did Allegri nurture successfully some Primavera players? Or what is this reference to Juve. Fagioli played at Serie B last season. Do we have talents at similar lever to Fagioli?
Asllani was even Serie A starter before joining us.
And I say "on top". This season Allegri used SIX youngsters significant minutes, not Fagioli alone. Miretti Soule Iling Junior Soule Rovella. Plus some more randoms in the CL. Are you saying we don't have any talents as good as any of them, really?
 

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Our primavera provides quite a strong source of plusvalenza, that much is true - but really, how many of them do we truly regret losing?

Like, in the last 15 years, off the top of my head I'd argue its only Bonucci who has proven to be a top level player? You can argue yes/no about Zaniolo. Dimarco is evolving nicely into someone who is quite useful for us, but the rest of them? Benassi? Biraghi?

Our biggest sales from the youth team have been, basically
Di Gregorio - 4mil (We may still end up regretting this one a little bit, I dont think he'll be a top level keeper but could be useful for us as a spare)
Gravillon - no regret, 3mil
Pinamonti - 19.5mil (obviously not as simple as that) but no regrets there I think its safe to say?
Vanheusden - 12mil (no regrets)
Puscas - 7.5mil (no regrets)
Adorante - 4mil (no regrets)
Sala - 3mil, no regrets
Bettella - 8.5mil, happy with that
Valietti - 5mil, happy
Odgaard - 6mil, happy
Carraro - 5mil, happy
Zappa - 3mil - not clear cut happy, he has two seasons of Serie A under his belt, now a full season in Serie B. he could still make it, but I'd say its looking unlikely
Zaniolo - 6.75mil, everyone knows the story
Eguelfi - 6mil, no issue there
Miangue - 3.2mil, no problem
Laxalt - 6mil
Biraghi - 5mil
Crisetig - 2.7mil
Bessa - 1.2mil
Mbaye - 3.5mil
Ventre - 3.5mil
Duncan - 2.6mil
Obi - 2.2mil


What objection do you have to any of those sales? Please share

I would say if anything, for most of them, we probably got their all time highest valuation and their careers have been mostly downhill since.


edit - oh, there are 2 more to be added as well. Salvatore Esposito, who was a free I believe, and Gnonto. I dont know what the career potential of either are right now, but its always a shame to develop an Italy international and not have him at least play for the club a bit. I dont know if Esposito is even good enough to be in Serie A, seeing as how Spezia may still be relegated, but still. Gnonto has hardly set the world on fire at Leeds, but obviously they're a shit show and he's still super, super young

edit2 - sorry, casadei left off as well, but too early to comment imho
i gladly send Gagliardini (28m), Correa (32m), Dalbert (25m), Gosens (30m), lazaro (25m), sensi (20m) back to their respective clubs with all exchange of their transfer fees and use the fees to get the list of any primaveras above. Gagliardini, Correa, Dalbert, Gosens, lazaro, sensi are more burden to finance actually than these primavera lists.
 

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Asllani was even Serie A starter before joining us.
And I say "on top". This season Allegri used SIX youngsters significant minutes, not Fagioli alone. Miretti Soule Iling Junior Soule Rovella. Plus some more randoms in the CL. Are you saying we don't have any talents as good as any of them, really?
It's totally possible.

I'm going to make a claim Inzaghi didn't have to be desperate this season. Our game worked, even at the worst times for the most part. Allegri was desperate since his game was total disaster and their lucky win streak in autumn kept them in the running at the top.
 

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It's totally possible.

I'm going to make a claim Inzaghi didn't have to be desperate this season. Our game worked, even at the worst times for the most part. Allegri was desperate since his game was total disaster and their lucky win streak in autumn kept them in the running at the top.
Juve has earned as many points as us or Milan this season. And the last thing they need is significant help from the youth.

Jesus, you are a excusing like they are poorer than Inter and lack of players. Their depth is as crazy as they ship Kulusevski, Zakaria or McKennie on loans and gives chances to the kids.

You keep ignoring to answer the obvious: the preference of Gags over Asllani. Even in the last meaningless match the one that is useless and leaving for free eats full 90 minutes. While our presumed to be "future" is rotten on the bench. No, the problem is NOT with youngster quality. But the preference of "experience" over youth; despite that experience of being crap.
 

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Why do I need to answer to Gags over Asllani? That's coach's preference and has nothing to do with Primavera.
 

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Asllani was gamble anyway. young, lack of senior experience (1st debut for their senior team after Empoli sold Ricci to Torino in 2022), lack of tactical awareness, his movement is also premature. i didn't know why Marotta Ausilio was brave enough to sign him for 15 m obligation when Casadei and agoume was available.
 

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Why do I need to answer to Gags over Asllani? That's coach's preference and has nothing to do with Primavera.
You don`t need to, but you try and your arguments are more than mehhh.

This was always my concern (only) with Inzaghi. He don`t give playing time and develop kids (primavera or from anywhere else). As you see, Marotta and co. can build a team from cast-offs, free agents oldies and Inzaghi can obtain results with this team. But this year is a anomaly and the ceiling is low.
But we should not fool ourselves. Without a rich owner, in Serie A where the revenues are mediocre and with our mountain of debt there is no way around. We need to find and develop young players (Asllani, Pirola, Zanotti whatever).
 

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Asllani was even Serie A starter before joining us.
And I say "on top". This season Allegri used SIX youngsters significant minutes, not Fagioli alone. Miretti Soule Iling Junior Soule Rovella. Plus some more randoms in the CL. Are you saying we don't have any talents as good as any of them, really?
to be honest, quite possibly yes?

Even if you ignore the current crop of youth, Juve historically have been significantly better at creating youth talent than Inter. I wish I knew "why" it was - maybe we scout for the wrong attributes/characteristics in our kids, maybe its our facilities, our development plans. I just dont know, but something about youth at Inter just doesn't work.

I don't really buy into the chances argument either, tbh, because if that was the case some of the guys who leave would "make it", yet even the people who leave (on decent money) such as Bettella, Zappa, Gravillon, etc, dont really make it at a level that would necessarily be useful for Inter. Gnonto or Salvatore Esposito are probably the best talents we've produced since Bonucci/Balotelli, excluding Zaniolo, and its not clear to me yet that they're capable of being a level that would be a squad rotation player at Inter. Aside from Bonucci and Balotelli, our best are probably Biraghi, Dimarco, Benassi, Pinamonti - eg these are all players who have capped for Italy after being an Inter youth development. I'd say of those only Dimarco is really good enough to be at Inter


I think, as discussed elsewhere, the lack of an U-23 will really hit us as well over coming seasons. Right now if we think a player is on the fringe of our first team, we have to make one of two decisions - do they stay at Inter, play as an overaged Primavera player occasionally, and restrict their first team game time likely to maybe 1-2 full matches equivalent over a full season? Or do we send them on a hopeful loan where they hopefully get the chance to play regularly. Zanotti's primavera gametime is 971 minutes this season, often not being in the squad for the primavera because he's in the first team squad.

We really need an U-23 team, so that people can play at a "First team" level, getting competitive minutes every week, and if we find ourselves in a situation where we need a youth RB for whatever reason, we can call them up for the 3-5 matches we need them for. It's working very well for Juve


Of course, that's also only a recent development - historical differences between Inter and Juve for youth production aren't explained by the U-23 team. But I would say are still quite significant.


RE Asllani, I think its also disappointing he's not had more minutes... but. You know, he's only started 7 games for us (brought off at halftime in one of them, which we go on to win), and in the 6 remaining games, we've only won 1 of those? Which was Coppa Italia?



The other thing is - especially with the Plusvalenza pressure in recent years - a lot of the kids we're selling have been aged 18, 19, 20. So if they're good enough to make it elsewhere, they still should be able to. Its not like we're hanging onto kids letting them rot on our bench until they're 23, 24. Yet very few of those guys even go on to have a Serie B level career after leaving... So I think fundamentally, Inter doesn't produce good youngsters, rather than we don't play good youngsters
 
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to be honest, quite possibly yes?

Even if you ignore the current crop of youth, Juve historically have been significantly better at creating youth talent than Inter. I wish I knew "why" it was - maybe we scout for the wrong attributes/characteristics in our kids, maybe its our facilities, our development plans. I just dont know, but something about youth at Inter just doesn't work.

I don't really buy into the chances argument either, tbh, because if that was the case some of the guys who leave would "make it", yet even the people who leave (on decent money) such as Bettella, Zappa, Gravillon, etc, dont really make it at a level that would necessarily be useful for Inter. Gnonto or Salvatore Esposito are probably the best talents we've produced since Bonucci/Balotelli, excluding Zaniolo, and its not clear to me yet that they're capable of being a level that would be a squad rotation player at Inter. Aside from Bonucci and Balotelli, our best are probably Biraghi, Dimarco, Benassi, Pinamonti - eg these are all players who have capped for Italy after being an Inter youth development. I'd say of those only Dimarco is really good enough to be at Inter


I think, as discussed elsewhere, the lack of an U-23 will really hit us as well over coming seasons. Right now if we think a player is on the fringe of our first team, we have to make one of two decisions - do they stay at Inter, play as an overaged Primavera player occasionally, and restrict their first team game time likely to maybe 1-2 full matches equivalent over a full season? Or do we send them on a hopeful loan where they hopefully get the chance to play regularly. Zanotti's primavera gametime is 971 minutes this season, often not being in the squad for the primavera because he's in the first team squad.

We really need an U-23 team, so that people can play at a "First team" level, getting competitive minutes every week, and if we find ourselves in a situation where we need a youth RB for whatever reason, we can call them up for the 3-5 matches we need them for. It's working very well for Juve


Of course, that's also only a recent development - historical differences between Inter and Juve for youth production aren't explained by the U-23 team. But I would say are still quite significant.


RE Asllani, I think its also disappointing he's not had more minutes... but. You know, he's only started 7 games for us (brought off at halftime in one of them, which we go on to win), and in the 6 remaining games, we've only won 1 of those? Which was Coppa Italia?



The other thing is - especially with the Plusvalenza pressure in recent years - a lot of the kids we're selling have been aged 18, 19, 20. So if they're good enough to make it elsewhere, they still should be able to. Its not like we're hanging onto kids letting them rot on our bench until they're 23, 24. Yet very few of those guys even go on to have a Serie B level career after leaving... So I think fundamentally, Inter doesn't produce good youngsters, rather than we don't play good youngsters
Good detailed post, but I wanna clarify one thing: I don't really care about the player's origin where he is from tbh. He can be from our Primavera. Or we can buy him from other academies or even integrate directly to the first team (as Barca's Pedri, or Inter's self Bastoni). As soon as we develop him from a kid to first team material I consider him an Inter product.

The point is, people are blaming the management for not investing in youth. I think it the other way round, it makes no sense to invest in something our coach has no intention of developing. We do see how he treats the few (maybe one) talents we do have.

Sorry, I don't really buy the statistics of Asllani "losses per appearance". He didn't play bad. That's not gold-but-old Cambiasso I am crying for the kids minutes, but fucking donkey who is leaving free i.e. no benefits for Inter in any means. In a useless match where Cordaz could also get appearance. Does he think of the kid(s) on bench or Inter future?

That attitude is not of Inzaghi's alone, but quite popular in Serie A. Shitty trend of "experience over newbies". Allegri did a poor job this year; but how he is using his youths is still, much better. Pioli is (or was) too. Our aging status will remain alarming as long as Inzaghi remains unless he is willing to change.
 
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