Lautaro Martinez

[.h.]

If he was there it's just fucking stupid.

 

[Shark]

Ok, all the political correctness asides. Why is so racist about what they sang? Are they offended because they’re from Algeria and not Angola?

No because they are French. The chant is trying to mock and de-legitimize that. This is not very tough to understand.

Besides, the ironic thing is that they are as French as Enzo is Argentinian.

 

[qb4ever_2k]

No because they are French. The chant is trying to mock and de-legitimize that. This is not very tough to understand.

Besides, the ironic thing is that they are as French as Enzo is Argentinian.

I'm asking why this is racist.

No matter how unacceptable and stupid you may find, I don't see how this is anymore than just trash talking. I can't see how this is more offensive than the Dumfries holding that banner of Theo in a leash, for example. Of course, I know if it was the other way around, people would be calling Theo racist.

 

[pupivn]

Ok, all the political correctness asides. Why is so racist about what they sang? Are they offended because they’re from Algeria and not Angola?

But what is political correctness needed to put aside here? It has many levels on that. Most of them are not 1st generation of immigrant, what’s wrong if they want to being French. Do they abandon their root to chase glory because many players choose their other countries for not being selected to French team? Does France just accept them because they couldn’t produce elite “pure” French players? They’re not French but they’re not Algerian, Congolese … so what are they?

It’s political. Moreover, you need to put into context of French election. During Euro, players have voiced their opinion about rejecting far right party.

You can say I assume many things but people will play those cards to attack if it suits their opinion.

And this is not what you (Fofana, Gusto …) want to hear from your co-worker (Enzo …) to sing about.

 

[qb4ever_2k]

But what is political correctness needed to put aside here? It has many levels on that. Most of them are not 1st generation of immigrant, what’s wrong if they want to being French. Do they abandon their root to chase glory because many players choose their other countries for not being selected to French team? Does France just accept them because they couldn’t produce elite “pure” French players? They’re not French but they’re not Algerian, Congolese … so what are they?

It’s political. Moreover, you need to put into context of French election. During Euro, players have voiced their opinion about rejecting far right party.

You can say I assume many things but people will play those cards to attack if it suits their opinion.

And this is not what you (Fofana, Gusto …) want to hear from your co-worker (Enzo …) to sing about.

Again, Im not asking why people are offended, I'm asking why they have to make this about races?

How is it racist if you tell a Frenchman whose mother came from Congo that he's French and his mother was from Congo?

 

[pupivn]

Again, Im not asking why people are offended, I'm asking why they have to make this about races?

How is it racist if you tell a Frenchman whose mother came from Congo that he's French and his mother was from Congo?

When do you say it? In ethical survey?
Why can’t they make it about races if Argentines celebrate their Copa victory singing about French and their root, their passport?
I don’t understand why you have to make it out of context here.

 

[Mikele]

I think, if kid is born, let's say in Italy, from non Italian , for example Serbian parents, and that kid went thru all Italian fotball system. They invest in his education, training, medical, equipment... kid play for U15, U17... and became good player, he MUST play for Italy National team! That is his obligation. He MUST repay all what they invested in him. For me, this is the fair way. Maybe I am wrong, but this is my opinion.

 

[.h.]

I think the implication is that they 'arent french' because neither of their parents are 'french'.

it ignores the fact that he's born in paris and has grown up in france his whole life... and ignores 'cultural adoption' as a thing

I think the piece around Retegui, for example, is ""less italian"" than someone who was born to immigrants in a country and reasonably culturally identifies to the country

 

[dax21]

I don't care about any of this, things like this go on in majority of locker rooms.
Hopefully it won't backfire on his relationship with Thuram. Thuram seems like a passionate guy who has already taken stance on politics before.

 

[vex]

I think the implication is that they 'arent french' because neither of their parents are 'french'.

it ignores the fact that he's born in paris and has grown up in france his whole life... and ignores 'cultural adoption' as a thing

I agree about this part, it's kinda scummy to imply in their name that they are not french, especially if they feel like french. They have that right and nobody should question that. For me, that's the biggest problem about that video, it's just scummy behavior.

However, if you did poll among black french players, I wonder how many of them would say they were sudanese, congolese, cameroonian or whatever nation and wouldn't even mention france. I think some of them that are currently outraged would definitely do that, and it's hypocritical imo. In this case, I only feel bad for the french players that actually got offended for that, like they legit love france, and they feel bad when someone questions their allegiance to it and not this other type of players I mentioned.

 

[.h.]

I agree about this part, it's kinda scummy to imply in their name that they are not french, especially if they feel like french. They have that right and nobody should question that. For me, that's the biggest problem about that video, it's just scummy behavior.

However, if you did poll among black french players, I wonder how many of them would say they were sudanese, congolese, cameroonian or whatever nation and wouldn't even mention france. I think some of them that are currently outraged would definitely do that, and it's hypocritical imo. In this case, I only feel bad for the french players that actually got offended for that, like they legit love france, and they feel bad when someone questions their allegiance to it and not this other type of players I mentioned.

I dont really follow them in the press, but whats the view regarding their identification? I would have thought most if not all of them consider themselves french, BARRING the broader challenge with Marie Le Pen which is clearly causing a lot of friction in terms of nationality perception atm

 

[Adriano@10]

Again, Im not asking why people are offended, I'm asking why they have to make this about races?

How is it racist if you tell a Frenchman whose mother came from Congo that he's French and his mother was from Congo?

Very obvious that it is implied that they are not real french...Same as it s implied that if your black your not real french even if you and maybe even your parents never lived outside of france....

Anyways it s fucken retarded for players to be this stupid and even record them selfes and upload it...... Like the fuck are you thinking? Also why the hell go after france when you won the coppa america?

Anyways i guess it s not really a surprise when you look at argentinas history the last 100 some years that they have slight racist tendencies...

 

[vex]

I dont really follow them in the press, but whats the view regarding their identification?

I would imagine there is a lot of bitterness and bad feelings because of french colonization, regardless of current politics. That's why I draw a conclusion that some of them for sure don't like to associate themselves with anything french, but they still play for it out of sheer opportunism. All legit feelings, but then you don't get the sympathy from me if you get outraged on social media for this type of stuff.

 

[.h.]

I would imagine there is a lot of bitterness and bad feelings because of french colonization, regardless of current politics. That's why I draw a conclusion that some of them for sure don't like to associate themselves with anything french, but they still play for it out of sheer opportunism. All legit feelings, but then you don't get the sympathy from me if you get outraged on social media for this type of stuff.

Id love to see some evidence for this statement with regards to the specific players in the French national team. The only thing I've ever seen is their recent outrage about the right wing surge in France

 

[Adriano@10]

I would imagine there is a lot of bitterness and bad feelings because of french colonization, regardless of current politics. That's why I draw a conclusion that some of them for sure don't like to associate themselves with anything french, but they still play for it out of sheer opportunism. All legit feelings, but then you don't get the sympathy from me if you get outraged on social media for this type of stuff.

If they felt that way they could play for what ever nation their parents or grand parents were from yet non of them do it. Also lets not kid our selfes most of them never lived outside of France and for probably all of them french is their first language so wtf are we talking about? Also obviously there is some resentment towards france but again show me an immigrant any where who grew up in the banlieu/ghetto and who does not have resentiments towards the people in power?
Also why is this always a big thing when black people do it but when people from the balkan play for NTs all over Europe then its somehow not as big of a topic?

Last but not least fact is they all hold the french passport they all speak french they all learned they re football in france, if you d ask people or their relatives in africa wether they are more french or african they d all tell you they are french so really wtf are we talking about? Also pretty sure not a single person in france was calling them african when they won the WC but when they fail they re not french.

Footnote: i dont think peopl had this much of a issue when zidane was playing for france how come? Was he not black/brown enough for it to be an issue? If you decide that the current crop of french NT players aint french enough and if you re conseqent you d also have to stop acting like thuram/Zidane/ Makelele/Henry/viera were french.

Also lets not forget that if it was the other way around and mbappe and some other stars would be playing for their "homeland" Half of france would be calling them out for being ungrateful brats getting everything from france but then taking their talents else where.

 

[ADRossi]

Also why is this always a big thing when black people do it but when people from the balkan play for NTs all over Europe then its somehow not as big of a topic?

Clearly you don't read @Pimpin's posts outside of the stocks thread!

 

[Adriano@10]

Clearly you don't read @Pimpin's posts outside of the stocks thread!

I do but it s the opposite perspective i m saying there aint that many swedish/swiss/austrians out there complaining that their NTs are full of Secondos from the balkan....
Again the topic seems to be more heated when black players are involved as with the zidane case.

Also it always depends which way you look at it rakitic got a lot of shit from swiss media and swiss fans for chosing croatia despite being born and raised in switzerland and playing for the swiss NT up to the U21.....

I ve said multiple time that i think we re making to big a fuss out of this and if we re honest with our selfes players should play for the country where they grew up and where they also learned to play football which is what most of them do....

Matter of fact as mentioned how come the white brazilians and argentinians who go to play for italy/spain/portugal never get as much shit as the players of african descent do even though in their cases very often they have 0 connecting to the country they eventually play for with the exception of a great grand father and maybe playing there for 2 or 3 years. Always seemed funny to me how a player like camoranesi never really got any shit from Italians despite coming to italy only at the age of 23/24 and other than having italian ancestors he had nothing in common with italy. Meanwhil balo grows up here and somehow he s the foreigner fucken hypocrits.

 

[Pimpin]

Clearly you don't read @Pimpin's posts outside of the stocks thread!

that was during puberty man, leave me and my traitors alone

 

[brehme1989]

Besides, the ironic thing is that they are as French as Enzo is Argentinian.

I thought Thuram was Italian because he was born in Italy

Stop moving the goalposts, people

 

[Kramerica Industries]

ok, now people are saying he was there... guy on the left does kinda look like him.

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That's not during the questionable part of the video. We don't know if Lautaro joined in on that or not. Maybe he should issue a statement of condemnation - the entire AFA should - but he has nothing to apologize for personally as of yet.