La Curva Nord

[Stefan]

There isn't violence inside the stadium it would be bad for business.

Calcio finanza have done an article on the criminal links of both inter & Milan curva's.

Lo stadio come miniera: gli affari delle mafie che comandano San Siro

Due curve divise dal tifo, ma unite per il bene degli affari reciproci. Così si spartiscono gli affari legati al mondo del pallone.

www.calcioefinanza.it

 

[Gal]

Lol. You really think stadion is not safe for normal people? Have you ever been on one? If you dont look for a trouble, you have nothing to worry.

Sad thing is, in Italy, leaders of every curva are also mafia members.

Plenty, there several cases every year across Europe where innocent are caught in the cross fire between fractions and where people are fearing for the safety of their children or who doesn’t want their children to be a witness to the mindless psychopath’s violent behaviour on the stands it’s been a heavy debate where I live and lived for its lack of family friendliness because of those issues. The fact several of these fractions are in organised crime, says all there needs to be said about those people.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Plenty, there several cases every year across Europe where innocent are caught in the cross fire between fractions and where people are fearing for the safety of their children or who doesn’t want their children to be a witness to the mindless psychopath’s violent behaviour on the stands it’s been a heavy debate where I live and lived for its lack of family friendliness because of those issues. The fact several of these fractions are in organised crime, says all there needs to be said about those people.

But you don't talk about this specific case, which is Inter, Stadio Giuseppe Meazza and Curva Nord. We are talking about that. You are generalizing some things related to football matches somewhere else.

 

[Mikele]

Lol. You really think stadion is not safe for normal people? Have you ever been on one? If you dont look for a trouble, you have nothing to worry.

Sad thing is, in Italy, leaders of every curva are also mafia members.

I think, in many country's leader of curva are involved in more or less some criminal activity. You are right, normal people have no problem. As long as they fight between them, we are ok.

 

[OkiOki]

Plenty, there several cases every year across Europe where innocent are caught in the cross fire between fractions and where people are fearing for the safety of their children or who doesn’t want their children to be a witness to the mindless psychopath’s violent behaviour on the stands it’s been a heavy debate where I live and lived for its lack of family friendliness because of those issues. The fact several of these fractions are in organised crime, says all there needs to be said about those people.

Can you tell me some examples?

Basicly, when you see riots on stadium, which are really very rare, or even around the stadium. You should just move out of them and you will be fine.
If you are not looking to participate in riots, chances that you will get injured while you are at football match are so small. It's more dangerous to drive to do stadium and get injured in trafic accident then being injured in riots on stadium. At least in Europe. Not sure about South America or Africa.

 

[brehme1989]

Well, in Greece you can get randomly beaten up by the police and riots will eventually start around you as a result of your innocent presence getting knocked in the face by a glob.

 

[Campione]

Arrestati 18 capi ultrà di Inter e Milan: «Nelle curve di San Siro un'associazione a delinquere». Estorsioni sui biglietti, pizzo sui parcheggi e risse​

https://milano.corriere.it/notizie/...te-f4d20c82-5c68-4292-a331-469fb0925xlk.shtml

Apparently there was a police operation this morning and some of the leaders of CN/CS were arrested.

 

[CafeCordoba]

https://milano.corriere.it/notizie/...ta-c87480f9-d179-477a-b1f2-787ae5cafxlk.shtml

This is spicy! There's a story now that Inzaghi would have been used by Curva Nord as the middle man to try to get more tickets for them for the CL final.

Obviously it's good to get the criminals arrested, and possibly to jail if serious crimes have been made. But I don't want to see Curva Nord being dismantled or anything of that sort.

It happened at Juve when Agnelli didn't want to play ball with them so ultras basically abandoned the club (or Agnelli banned them, whatever the angle here). I want to keep Curva Nord, so maybe some sort of solution is possible here. They are the guys traveling to Istanbul, traveling to Emptyhad and creating the atmosphere. Not even mentioning the home games as it's self-explanatory.

What I fear is that our owners are strict and forces to cut ties anything related to some fishy engagements with people with some possible criminal ties. Now the people arrested are linked to mafia ('Ndrangheta) and they shouldn't be involved but there are obviously a lot of levels in this kind of discussion.

 

[brehme1989]

Nothing from that article is foul play. That's just typical.
If anything, CN being able to call the team's coach directly is a sign of health at the club rather than anything else.

I don't know how many members CN has but yeah, if they asked for a bare minimum of tickets and got less, it's a lot of trouble for then to manage. It's not easy leaving people behind, especially people who expect to he included.

 

[Campione]

Well, if you remember, during Coppa Italia final against Fiorentina, CN were silent for the first 20-25 minutes of the game - act of protest for not receiving the required number of tickets for Istanbul. They even said it publicly I believe. In the end, they got their tickets and apparently they talked with Inzaghi about that.

Love it or hate it, but without CN the atmosphere at Meazza will be dead. Unfortunately they have their dark side which usually means participation in crime organisations.

Curious to see if they are preparing something for tomorrow game.

 

[junior55]

https://milano.corriere.it/notizie/...ta-c87480f9-d179-477a-b1f2-787ae5cafxlk.shtml

This is spicy! There's a story now that Inzaghi would have been used by Curva Nord as the middle man to try to get more tickets for them for the CL final.

Obviously it's good to get the criminals arrested, and possibly to jail if serious crimes have been made. But I don't want to see Curva Nord being dismantled or anything of that sort.

It happened at Juve when Agnelli didn't want to play ball with them so ultras basically abandoned the club (or Agnelli banned them, whatever the angle here). I want to keep Curva Nord, so maybe some sort of solution is possible here. They are the guys traveling to Istanbul, traveling to Emptyhad and creating the atmosphere. Not even mentioning the home games as it's self-explanatory.

What I fear is that our owners are strict and forces to cut ties anything related to some fishy engagements with people with some possible criminal ties. Now the people arrested are linked to mafia ('Ndrangheta) and they shouldn't be involved but there are obviously a lot of levels in this kind of discussion.

I don't agree with this take

There is a distinction between organized tifo groups and criminal activity and the leaders of the CN are being accused of criminal activity. We are not speaking of individuals who do crimes in their personal life and then happen to be part of CN as well , we are speaking about people who use the position as leaders of CN to do crime in and out of the life of the football club.
This ultra culture needs to be banned as simple as that , there is no justification its just an old trend that seems cool and in some places keeps existing. CN shouldn't be any different from any other Inter Fun Club all over the world , they should buy their season tickets like anyone else , have their seat in the stadium , have a board of directors like any other inter club and that board should be responsible to organize everything.
And if as they claim , they care about Inter more than the others , they should show it in the stadium by cheering for the team more than the others , no matter what, rather than feel entitled.

So i would very positive to dismantle the whole leading committee of CN ( both the ones that were active in crime and the ones who were aware but did nothing) and let new people take over and CN can continue being the largest tifo group of Inter , but that's it, just the largest tifo group/inter club nothing more. I was in the stadium on Sunday for the Derby , seeing our CN not show any choreography unlike Milan fans , just because 2 guys , both criminals , killed each other, has nothing to do with sports and most importantly nothing to do with Inter.

 

[CafeCordoba]

I don't agree with this take

There is a distinction between organized tifo groups and criminal activity and the leaders of the CN are being accused of criminal activity. We are not speaking of individuals who do crimes in their personal life and then happen to be part of CN as well , we are speaking about people who use the position as leaders of CN to do crime in and out of the life of the football club.
This ultra culture needs to be banned as simple as that , there is no justification its just an old trend that seems cool and in some places keeps existing. CN shouldn't be any different from any other Inter Fun Club all over the world , they should buy their season tickets like anyone else , have their seat in the stadium , have a board of directors like any other inter club and that board should be responsible to organize everything.
And if as they claim , they care about Inter more than the others , they should show it in the stadium by cheering for the team more than the others , no matter what, rather than feel entitled.

So i would very positive to dismantle the whole leading committee of CN ( both the ones that were active in crime and the ones who were aware but did nothing) and let new people take over and CN can continue being the largest tifo group of Inter , but that's it, just the largest tifo group/inter club nothing more. I was in the stadium on Sunday for the Derby , seeing our CN not show any choreography unlike Milan fans , just because 2 guys , both criminals , killed each other, has nothing to do with sports and most importantly nothing to do with Inter.

I don't agree with this take. Curva Nord is big part of Inter, specially in our home games. The club should do everything in its power to try to keep them there and work with the local authorities and whoever.

Those unfortunate derby events are rare and maybe even rarer if they put these criminals in jail. Most of the matches they are still there for the team, and they create unique atmosphere in the stadium.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Nothing from that article is foul play. That's just typical.
If anything, CN being able to call the team's coach directly is a sign of health at the club rather than anything else.

I don't know how many members CN has but yeah, if they asked for a bare minimum of tickets and got less, it's a lot of trouble for then to manage. It's not easy leaving people behind, especially people who expect to he included.

There was mentioned a number like 1000 or was it less and they asked for 1200 and eventually got 1500 (for the Istanbul final). But there are like 10-20x amount of fans there Like at least 15k?

 

[Stefan]

I don't agree with this take. Curva Nord is big part of Inter, specially in our home games. The club should do everything in its power to try to keep them there and work with the local authorities and whoever.

Those unfortunate derby events are rare and maybe even rarer if they put these criminals in jail. Most of the matches they are still there for the team, and they create unique atmosphere in the stadium.

Its not the first time in recent years they put criminals above Inter and the ordinary fans.
We also had the incident of them forcing all fans to leave the stadium when news broke about one of their members killed in a shootout.

The criminal element should not be welcomed. I don't see why we can't have the curva without the criminal element.

 

[CafeCordoba]

The criminal element should not be welcomed. I don't see why we can't have the curva without the criminal element.

This would be the best outcome but I wouldn't hold my breathe it's gonna happen. I think the criminal element related to drug business will be reduced now with these arrests so that's definitely a good start.

 

[SiamoNoi]

This ultra culture needs to be banned as simple as that

Criminal activity is not ultra culture. Every real ultras despise this so called ultras,criminals in reality.

Best example of this kind of "ultras" are Crvena Zvezda fans. They are criminals,simple as that. Criminals involved in deep shit. And ultras around Europe despise them.

 

[Campione]

It's not the same but unfortunately often the leaders of ultras groups are criminals. That's why many people not interested in football simply believe criminals = ultras.

Take CN69 for example - the leaders are connected to the notorious Calabrian mafia. I'm sure that there are many members of CN that are there simply because of their love for Inter but the "face" are the leaders.

 

[Stefan]

Seems like we are complete idiots. Were complicit...Oaktree is come down very hard to clean this up.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1841142570493075812

 

[Campione]

So our players/management are guilty because they speak from time to time with the leaders of CN?! WTF?!

 

[CafeCordoba]

Yeah, guilt by association.

I think Italy's support culture is second to none among the big leagues, thus it should be "used", to take advantage of it. So don't hurt it by punishing if there are some shenanigans with the tickets, that's club's business what they do with them IMO.

Criminals are criminals, if they commit crimes like murders or drug trafficking, throw them to jail. But that's another matter, not connected to ultras doing their thing or business in the stadium.

Look at Juve and their matches. They don't have ultras there and it's just shit. You need to find a middle ground here, mediate it. Find a solution which is acceptable to both and FIGC should stay the fuck out of it. They can't handle their role so only thing they can do is give bans or fines, which do not solve anything in the end.