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That was the exact position he played with Portugal in the Euro’s, wasn’t it?

Left midfielder in diamond formation.

Actually it is not only about position, but more importantly about the style of play. Joao Mario is a technically sound midfielder with the ability to keep and recycle possession (like Michael Carrick). That's why he was the first-team midfielder in Portugal NT which won Euro 2016. The problem is we urgently need the creativity to break down the center while we have other midfielders who are able to keep possession with better all-round ability (Valero, Gag when his head is right).

It is not Mario's fault when he is played out of position as AM. He simply lacks the skillset to be the creative edge from the start. Imagine if MU played Carrick as AM or Inter play Icardi as winger :lol: . The blame is on the club who keep him while we buy more central midfielders and neglecting our AM post. If Inter really do not him, they should sell him and use the money to buy AM, backup winger or backup striker.
 

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Pretty much. If we look at it really, really simply - let's just say there are 2 broad methods of creating attacks from the midfield.

Method 1) is to have a central figure responsible for the majority of creating attacking play. A very simplistic example would be Sneijder from our treble season. (yes, I know Maicon, Eto'o, Motta etc helped him out a lot but just bear with the example)

Method 2) is to have the creative responsibility shared between the midfielders. A team like Napoli is closer to this example. Players like Hamsik, Zielinski, Allan and Jorginho are capable of delivering a key pass and linking up effectively with their forward trio.

Now look at us for a moment. We CLEARLY lack a player to go with Method 1. Brozovic, as I've been saying for ages, is a great complimentary player in midfield. That's why he's very good for Croatia, playing alongside and balancing more creative midfielders like Modric and Rakitic. But he lacks the quality to be the tip of the spear for us in a permanent and reliable capacity. Joao Mario - while possessing different characteristics as an individual player, is more or less in the same category. i.e. (depending on the day,) a mediocre-to-strong complimentary player in a midfield unit.

Our midfield also seems to lack the quality to perform Method 2 to any high level. To stick with the Napoli example: instead of Hamsik, we have a second-rate Hamsik in Brozovic. Instead of Jorginho, we have a second rate Jorginho in Gagliardini. And instead of Allan, we have a second-rate Allan in Vecino. This is why we can't do a great job of method 2 either. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure if Napoli bought Vecino and replaced Allan with him, that he'd be better than he is here. But that's the entire point. It's hard for any individual (unless of obscene quality) or any unit to perform when everyone in that unit is more or less on the same level of mediocre-to-decent-to-strong (on a good day). Instead of a midfield of our "Hamsik", "Jorginho" and "Allan", we've ended up with a midfield of three Allan's. Three B-grade Allan's.. Do you see my point?

This is why I was so against the Vecino signing. Because we've added another decent-to-strong complimentary player, without addressing our lack of quality for both Methods 1 & 2. We've stacked the midfield with midfielders of the same level of quality. We've all talked about this before, think about the fullback situation with Santon, Nagatomo, Ansaldi and D'Ambrosio. All entirely interchangeable and all entirely 'decent' at best..

I do think Spalletti is going for a dynamic and athletic version of method 2 - similar to what he had at Roma with Naingollan, Strootman and De Rossi. But just look at those names and compare them to ours. It's clear that we lack the collective quality for the midfield to collectively contribute to the attack. That's probably the reason our entire midfield has contributed.. what, maybe 5 goals between the 6 players this season?
 

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i cant stand players like him. reckless, careless. just like brozovic. walking on the pitch. you're playing in milano derby and you cant move your ass !
he was same in last years noon derby. he's not worth even for 20m.

banega should 100mil if he worth for 40..
 

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True, he's showing some serious attitude problems.

I mean, if even the derby can't wake you up, what will? If you can't be good, at least fight.

Milan won that derby because they tried and as bad as they were, they eventually found the way to scoring.

We didn't fight much and Joao Mario didn't at all. He just walked along the pitch and when he finally had the chance to redeem himself, he failed to score a sitter that most people (and I mean common johns, not footballers) would have scored.
 

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True, he's showing some serious attitude problems.

I mean, if even the derby can't wake you up, what will? If you can't be good, at least fight.

Milan won that derby because they tried and as bad as they were, they eventually found the way to scoring.

We didn't fight much and Joao Mario didn't at all. He just walked along the pitch and when he finally had the chance to redeem himself, he failed to score a sitter that most people (and I mean common johns, not footballers) would have scored.

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look at his face. like deadfish. he should play golf
 

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omg...he has dribbling skills no one else in the team has tbh,because he is a shit finisher,doesn't mean he doesn't know how to do other things well...his crosses are better than Candreva's ffs
Spallo should have been playing him on the side positions in RM or LM role...maybe replace Candreva...but no,he is stubborn like the rest of the know it all coaches...no coach is perfect,even though I love Spallo he isn't mistake free,not even Mou,who is going down hill,not even Guardiola who got a 0-0 barely against Crystal Palace who were craaaap in the start of the season...NO ONE
I agree Mario should do better out there but it's hard if the coach doesn't use your advantages correctly,maybe he doesn't fit Spallo's style but then he should adapt to the team not the team to his fap formation...that's what every coach should do...work with what he has...Spallo did it very amazingly till December ok,when Inter always slows down for some fucked up mental reason...

if he leaves and shines elsewhere...like a Cou what will you say then...Inter effect?!
 

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omg...he has dribbling skills no one else in the team has tbh,because he is a shit finisher,doesn't mean he doesn't know how to do other things well...his crosses are better than Candreva's ffs
Spallo should have been playing him on the side positions in RM or LM role...maybe replace Candreva...but no,he is stubborn like the rest of the know it all coaches...no coach is perfect,even though I love Spallo he isn't mistake free,not even Mou,who is going down hill,not even Guardiola who got a 0-0 barely against Crystal Palace who were craaaap in the start of the season...NO ONE
I agree Mario should do better out there but it's hard if the coach doesn't use your advantages correctly,maybe he doesn't fit Spallo's style but then he should adapt to the team not the team to his fap formation...that's what every coach should do...work with what he has...Spallo did it very amazingly till December ok,when Inter always slows down for some fucked up mental reason...

if he leaves and shines elsewhere...like a Cou what will you say then...Inter effect?!

If he cant shine at inter he can fuck off. Like everyone. This club is not rescue home.
 

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I remember him changing the game as sub coming on against Roma. I think he play better as an impact sub than a starter. That should be his role from now
 

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i still think Mario is a quality player, far above average. the club needs to show its patience.
 

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Last season JM was good.

He will never be that attacking or goal scoring threat but good central (defensive) midfielder when he gets his self-confidence back.

Swapping him with Mkhitaryan would be again another epic fail. JM is 4 years younger.

Inter paid a lot for potential of Joao Mario. It not very wise to send him backing after first set back.
 

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I do think he is a good player too. People has been overreacting because of the miss, last season he had many good games.

But, I’d sell him for the sake of the team, we need money to buy players who can contribute more in attack, plus he doesnt seem motivated to play for us so what’s the point.
 

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Last season JM was good.

He will never be that attacking or goal scoring threat but good central (defensive) midfielder when he gets his self-confidence back.

Swapping him with Mkhitaryan would be again another epic fail. JM is 4 years younger.

Inter paid a lot for potential of Joao Mario. It not very wise to send him backing after first set back.
Exactly, I can't stand when we sell players we bought mainly for their potential, when they happen to struggle for a few months. Has the past taught us nothing?

It would be another thing if were talking about a then 29 year old forward, who we brought in for immediate impact, who managed to score 1 goal in his first half season. Surely he was shown the door, right? Of course he wasn't..

I know there is a difference in market value here, it's just frustrating to see talented players sacrificed at the first signs of struggle, while mediocre players can underperform here for years on end.
 

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Inter’s approaches for Henrikh Mkhitaryan and Javier Pastore are tricky because neither Manchester United nor PSG want Joao Mario, claim Sky Sport Italia.

The Nerazzurri have a cash-flow problem and, unless Suning put in some big investments, there will be no January signings for Coach Luciano Spalletti.

Their only alternative is to sell one of their big players and Portugal international Joao Mario is the most likely candidate.

However, Sky Sport Italia transfer pundit Gianluca Di Marzio maintains neither Manchester United nor Paris Saint-Germain are prepared to accept these terms.

It’d be a loan with option to buy at the end of the season, a formula that does not suit the players Mkhitaryan or Pastore either.

The key would be selling Joao Mario for €40m, but nobody is ready to meet that price-tag right now.
 

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JM will never be sold at that price-tag again. We overpaid for him, but he is only 24 years old and we can use him to bring in a quality player or something.
 

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Only chance we get is if he gets to the world cup with Portugal and has a great tournament
 

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if he did train properly he could at least acquire the very basics of shooting. but that's not the only issue here, even without keeping that in mind he's performing poorly.

he probably wants to leave (and i mean now, in january), too. it will be hard to find a solution which fits both our and his needs
 

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if he did train properly he could at least acquire the very basics of shooting. but that's not the only issue here, even without keeping that in mind he's performing poorly.

he probably wants to leave (and i mean now, in january), too. it will be hard to find a solution which fits both our and his needs

His poor shooting has to do with his attitude and personality. He is beta as fuck and a little bitch on the pitch. He shoots like a guy with zero confidence. That's why he misses so many sitters. He doesn't shoot like he expects to score.

I would at all be surprised if he's a cuckold off the pitch.
 
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