Denzel Dumfries

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  • 2 - Close to a useless player, who will add nothing to the team besides filling the CL quota

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CafeCordoba

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Nah not really smart imo. I actually really enjoy the depth of our wing back positions right now. For once can we not diminish this good depth we have in two crucial positions? Depth is what lets you compete and go far in 3 to 4 competitions simultaneously - I wish we had gotten Gosens at the start of the season.

Also, all you'd squeeze out of Levy are pennies and paper clips. They are not big spenders. A Dumfries on the pitch is worth way more than any sort of plusvalenza we'd be able to get from Tottenham.
If we need to sell someone or someones, I'd rather sell Dumfries (in addition to De Vrij) than let's say Lautaro, Barella, Skriniar, Bastoni. It's about what needs to be done and what we choose to do.

Spurs spend when they see the player is good strategically for them. There hasn't been huge hits recently, but for example Kulusevski seems to be a hit (40m€ though on loan). Reguillon 30m€, Lo Celso (close to 50m€), Ndombele (60m€) are few expensive buys from recent years. They will spend if they see the player fit and not too old. Dumfries fits to that strategy.

If we can replace Dumfries internally with Perisic we tackle three problems with all this.
1) Make money with player sale(s)
2) Starting RWB to replace Dumfries
3) Spread the quality of our LWB players elsewhere so starting caliber LWB won't sit on the bench (Perisic/Gosens)
 

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I do have my concerns if he's sold. Darmian is not good enough to be the starter and we found a gem in Dumfries for what we paid. That is extremely unlikely to be replicated again.

The only other option would be to switch Perisic to the right but I feel like that's probably a more difficult change than we think. He can use his right foot yes but everything gets flipped and I'd have to imagine that would make things a bit more challenging, particularly defensively.
 

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Unfortunately when low cost players blossom at Inter, they are moved on top of the "sellables" list.

Again, I encourage people not willing to sell Dumfries to list who players they rather sell, who can command at least a similar transfer fee. And I don't know if Calhanoglu is an answer because we don't know if there is a market for him with these mentioned prices (35m€). So feel free to list the names who are sold first before Dumfries.
 

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I do have my concerns if he's sold. Darmian is not good enough to be the starter and we found a gem in Dumfries for what we paid. That is extremely unlikely to be replicated again.

The only other option would be to switch Perisic to the right but I feel like that's probably a more difficult change than we think. He can use his right foot yes but everything gets flipped and I'd have to imagine that would make things a bit more challenging, particularly defensively.
Yes, I don't like how for-granted some people bring up Perisic playing as RWB. I don't think the transition would be as seamless as some expect.
 

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Now, Man U are linked to him. Most probably because Bissaka guy is leaving.
.......
Now, I'm reading that according to Gazzetta dello Sport, Bayren have strong interest in Dumfries.
There is a rumor for Tottenham as well.

I can smell that something's cooking up out there.
 
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Spurs spend when they see the player is good strategically for them. There hasn't been huge hits recently, but for example Kulusevski seems to be a hit (40m€ though on loan). Reguillon 30m€, Lo Celso (close to 50m€), Ndombele (60m€) are few expensive buys from recent years. They will spend if they see the player fit and not too old. Dumfries fits to that strategy.

And how many of those players did Tottenham buy above their market value? Dumfries is valued at roughly 20m, are you expecting a 40m bid from them?

I am not insisting that Dumfries is 100% off the market. All I'm saying is if your goal is to generate plusvalenza, Tottenham is possibly the least ideal place to knock at.
 

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And how many of those players did Tottenham buy above their market value? Dumfries is valued at roughly 20m, are you expecting a 40m bid from them?

I am not insisting that Dumfries is 100% off the market. All I'm saying is if your goal is to generate plusvalenza, Tottenham is possibly the least ideal place to knock at.
Where is this 20m€ valuation coming from? In the rumors Inter value Dumfries 35-40m€. The whole argument I'm making here if there is an offer of 35m€ for Dumfries, we should sell immediately. If there is no such offer, then we don't sell. Pretty easy. If it's Spurs, if it's United, that's irrelevant.
 

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I'd sell even at €20 and try get Molina or Dodo.
 
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I would sell him for 35-40mil and try to bring Singo from Torino. He is only 21 but already so good.
 

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Where is this 20m€ valuation coming from? In the rumors Inter value Dumfries 35-40m€. The whole argument I'm making here if there is an offer of 35m€ for Dumfries, we should sell immediately. If there is no such offer, then we don't sell. Pretty easy. If it's Spurs, if it's United, that's irrelevant.

The €20m is from transfermarkt - the value seems reasonable to me. Doesn't really matter what rumors claim we value him at. Clubs will simply look at the hard facts: we got him for €13m barely 8 months ago and he did decent stats-wise scoring and assisting 5 each. Expecting anyone to pay €35m based on those facts is fantasy imo.

There can be strong discrepancies between how we value a player vs how other clubs value the same player. E.g., Dumfries has shown in his first season that he able to function in Inzaghi's system and he improved massively since his first few games - and we can maybe even expect improvement next season. This adds great value for us but doesn't add any value for a club from the EPL.

Besides, I share the same concerns as @BasedGodPunk
 

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Yes, I don't like how for-granted some people bring up Perisic playing as RWB. I don't think the transition would be as seamless as some expect.
Yeah. I feel the same. Perisic has never played on the right in his career. Going into a new season with Perisic as RWB and 32-year old Darmian as the only alternative would be a huge gamble. If we sell Dumfries, we need to sign a replacement.
 
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I would sell him for 35-40mil and try to bring Singo from Torino. He is only 21 but already so good.
Yeah, I've been saying this too and some people have said that name much earlier as far as I remember.

The €20m is from transfermarkt - the value seems reasonable to me. Doesn't really matter what rumors claim we value him at. Clubs will simply look at the hard facts: we got him for €13m barely 8 months ago and he did decent stats-wise scoring and assisting 5 each. Expecting anyone to pay €35m based on those facts is fantasy imo.

There can be strong discrepancies between how we value a player vs how other clubs value the same player. E.g., Dumfries has shown in his first season that he able to function in Inzaghi's system and he improved massively since his first few games - and we can maybe even expect improvement next season. This adds great value for us but doesn't add any value for a club from the EPL.

Besides, I share the same concerns as @BasedGodPunk
The base of my argumentation of selling Dumfries is that we get 35m€ (I'd even argue selling him for 30m€) from his sale. If that isn't possible and offers are like 20-25m€, selling him doesn't make much sense.

I remember Perisic playing as RW for Croatia last Euros in one match, one half. And he fucking sucked. :lol: Immediately when switched back to left winger, he was much better. That's obv a half-joke remark as the sample size is ridiculous. But if the club/coach would be certain Perisic could do it, it would be really good turn of events.

Anyway, Singo would be my pick since I can see getting him for around 15m€, maybe even 10m€ given his contract expires in 2023.
 

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Very good from him today, wished his header would have gone in.
 
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Apparently Mazraoui to Bayern is a here we go. Further confirmation that they seemingly will not go for Dumfries.
 

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Excellent job today coming on as a sub. Probably the signing of the season.
 
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