Defenders for the summer market

[Gismo]

Well, Tommi. I share your concern that many youngsters won't evolve into better players. And I'm not only talking about Italians here. Naturally you especially want that for the national team which I can understand.

Mikkel, How could this hurt Real Madrid when they have such a fantastic youth sector? Just look at the players they produced or helped produce: Raul, Guti (Hierro? Not sure though) comes to mind. They will have an edge over Barca if these changes would occur.

About the financial aspect of it I think it would hurt certain top teams. But not to the point where they would bankrupt. Another good thing speaking for these changes would be that the smaller clubs would again have better chances against the bigger sides like in the good old days were football wasn't so much about money. We would see sides like Sampdoria actually with a chance of winning Lo Scudetto.

Football would benefit from these changes since there would be more better players and the overall level of play would rise in the respective countries. Both on a club and national level. But it would sorta take the excitement and charm out of the involvement of money in the sport, which I believe it or not, actually finds thrilling.

So yes, this won't be all that bad if it happened on a footballing basis. But a defeat for human means in football.

 

[Ronald]

Don't forget home grown boy "Casillas" probably the new Madrid Captain if raul is ever to leave! also Morientes, Raul Bravo and Pavon! not to forget they are planning on getting Reyes and Joaquin (maybe)

I think this rule would be good! as it would decrease the gap between the teams! (not good for us) but it would be better for ffotball in general even though transfers would be farless interesting and fan base would actually decline a little! but championships would be much more interesting. since small teams usually develope many talents! and big teams would have less BIG STARS in their squads! since not all of their home grown talents would be Galacticos!

 

[Stefan]

The youngsters will come through if they are good enough. I have no problem having to have a certain amount of home grown players in the side but I have a problem if they have to be a certain nationality. I think uefa's proposal of 6 homegrown players in the squad is a good idea. But coni's idea is BS in my book.

 

[Frisko]

Stop living in the past guys. EU laws made possible for many people to achieve things in life, without being stopped by their own countries' problems.

I lived this situation myself, I had no future in Italy, since my family wasn't rich, and there were no opportunities to study or work.

So I moved to England, I couldn't have done that without EU laws.

We're moving forwards towards multi-cultural society. How can we stop people from moving from a EU state to another?

The argument "we are an Italian team so we should have Italian players" is old and sounds a bit silly nowadays, it's like old men complaining about the weather.

 

[Mikkel]

Spot on

So guys stop living in the parst.

This was what I wrote shortly after Ronald posted but my web went down :fero:

Thise changes would benefit the small teams, and as you said Alex they would have a chance to win the scudetto and the competition in serie a would increase, it might be a good thing for football in general, and for the National teams, but it will defently be a bad change for clubs like Inter and Milan. Since we would have to sell alot of our foreignerers, and get alot of new players from Italy who dosen't have the same talent. Of cause I would have been pleased abouth this rule if I was an Italian or supported a midiocre side, but the case is that I don't. And therefor it's obvious that I'm against such rule.

And the Eu would never allow such rule anyway. Cause if they have allowed it in football, soon or later others would wont to follow. and another thing is that some countries would be furious, and it would defently bring disharmony into the union. And I truely daubt that is what the union want.


And abouth R.Madrid, they will lose a lot of income in jersey sales, when they can't get name as Ronaldo, Figo, Zidane and so on. So it will defently hurt the financial.

 

[Handoyo]

Let me just say that I don't mind non-Italians as long as they are passionate about Inter. I am talking about players like Javier Zanetti, Ivan Cordoba, Ivan Zamorano and Diego Simeone. Do you honestly prefer Italians like Materazzi to Cordoba? Or Zanetti to Simeone? Or perhaps Ferrante to Zamorano?

One last point that I want to raise, if it takes 11 foreigners to achieve a 49 game unbeaten run (With not too much of draws. ), I would very much gladly accept it. I prefer to win with Italians but I prefer to win with non-Italians than not to win anything with Italians. Winning is everything.


Handyo

 

[Tommi]

Naturally you especially want that for the national team which I can understand.

That´s true. I´ve been Italian national team fan ´bout 23 years already.

About the financial aspect of it I think it would hurt certain top teams.

You talking about if teams would have to use certain amount of italian players? It wouldn´t change a thing...

I posted this few weeks ago ->

I looked out how many italian players did all the other big teams use in this weekend (5th & 6th of March). This is what i found out ->

Milan (played against Atalanta): Dida; Stam, Nesta, Maldini, Costacurta; Brocchi (Ambrosini 61), Pirlo, Dhorasoo (Serginho 60); Kakà; Crespo (Inzaghi 77), Tomasson = used 7 italian players

Roma (against Juventus): Pelizzoli; Panucci, Dellas, Ferrari, Cufre (Corvia 85); Perrotta, Dacourt (Aquilani 69), De Rossi (Mancini 53); Totti, Montella, Cassano = used 10 (!) italian players.

Juventus (against Roma): Buffon; Zebina, Thuram, Cannavaro, Zambrotta; Camoranesi, Blasi, Emerson; Zalayeta, Del Piero (Pessotto 56), Ibrahimovic (Trezeguet 78) = used 7 italian players.

Inter (against Lecce): Carini, J. Zanetti, Cordoba, Mihajlovic, Favalli (Ze Maria 26), van der Meyde, Veron, Cambiasso, Stankovic, Martins, Adriano = used 1 player (Favalli played 26 minutes)

Roma 10, Milan & Juve 7 and Inter 1. :depress:

All i want us to use at least three italians (sometimes we use even more (Toldo, Favalli, Materazzi, Cristiano, Vieri...)). It´s not such a big deal even if it would be mandatory to use three italian players.

The youngsters will come through if they are good enough.

Don´t know about that. It all depends what the coach wants. Italian U21 team has won almost every major trophies since five years and where are the majority of them now? I´m sure they´re talented enough.

I lived this situation myself, I had no future in Italy, since my family wasn't rich, and there were no opportunities to study or work.

Oh, now i know where are you coming from. Your praise EPL, you dont care if we use italians or not...I guess it´s all because you feel Italia let you down or something? No offense, just asking..

Do you honestly prefer Italians like Materazzi to Cordoba? Or Zanetti to Simeone? Or perhaps Ferrante to Zamorano?

Do you prefer Mihajlovic over Nesta then? Of course not. None is saying that every Serie A team should use only italian players. Use some and that´s fine with me.

 

[Handoyo]

If given a choice, of course I'd choose Nesta. If I have to choose Vieri or Van Nistelrooy, I'd choose the former not because I like him or because he's a better player but because although they're a player of the same calibre, Vieri is Italian so I'm going with him. If I have to choose Chivu or Barzagli as our next defender though, realistically, I'd choose Chivu because he's better. My priority is first the quality of the player, the passion he show for Inter and then their nationality.

I'm just saying that whoever player Inter thinks is most suitable for them, they should get him regardless of his nationality. However, if they are of the same calibre, choose the Italian one.


Handyo

 

[Fabio]

I agree with Don Tommi (once again) that a rule of 3 Italian players would be great! We would probably be the only team in Serie A affected!

Fabio

 

[Gismo]

You talking about if teams would have to use certain amount of italian players?

Yeah.

It wouldn´t change a thing...

I beg to differ. If such restrictions took place you would see an Inter squad filled with many players who HAVE to be there. That leaves the top clubs with less room to design their 'dream team'. Hence the foreigners they buy need to be of really good class per se because a lot of the 'must be included in the squad' players will be young and in certain (probably most) cases inexperienced players that the absolute top clubs just can't rely on to bring home the trophies. And I'm mainly referring to the top clubs like Real Madrid who get alot of their income from what I call 'star power'. Essentially public value.

Scenario: Inter need an established RM because they don't wanna rely on their young talent or Italian LM. They will have to look outside Italy to find what they're looking for. Do they choose with the priority of finding a player because of his quality or do they pick Beckam?

Whereas some clubs would have automatically picked Beckam they will now be forced to find a good player instead because of the high demands for glory from the fans. That means LESS star players who bring huge sums home in terms of shirt sales, etc.

 

[Fabio]

Don't you realise that we are just talking about 3, just 3 Italian players. It's not that much!

Fabio

 

[Frisko]

I lived this situation myself, I had no future in Italy, since my family wasn't rich, and there were no opportunities to study or work.

Oh, now i know where are you coming from. Your praise EPL, you dont care if we use italians or not...I guess it´s all because you feel Italia let you down or something? No offense, just asking..

Yeah of course Italy let me down, if you're not from a rich family life for a young person is extremely difficult right now. And I come from near Milan, the situation in the south of Italy is even worse.

But it's not about that. It's not like I care if English clubs play with many foreigners. It's about getting into a more open mentality.

In England there are LOTS of foreigners, coming from all over the world. There's a huge Indian and Pakistani community. When I first came here I went to college to study English, and I met lots of people from all sorts of background.

Something that amazed me was hearing stories of people coming from the Czech Republic, that back then wasn't part of the EU. These people just wanted to do the same things as me, study, get a decent job. But for them it was so difficult, they had to get a Visa to enter the UK, and they couldn't stay without a work permit.

I met a young lady from Russia, she had family there, and she was desperately trying to get a job so that her husband and her 2 children could come to England as well. I helped her as much as I could, but she couldn't get a job so she had to go back. She was in tears last time I saw her.

These things make you think. If there are laws that make it easier for people to move around countries and look for better opportunities, everyone should support them as much as possible.

Just remember, some people might not be as lucky as you are. For some people achieving a decent life is not about effort, or skills, or studies: is about where you were born.

 

[Frisko]

As for this "3 Italian players must play" rule, it would be simply awful.

It would mean that some players would only play because of their nationality. It would be akward.

 

[Gismo]

Just remember, some people might not be as lucky as you are.

Indeed. I'm following you so far.

This might be a bit offtopic but what the hell...

For some people achieving a decent life is not about effort, or skills, or studies: is about where you were born.

You're painting a very bleak picture of the world and England in particular then. I'll be the first to admit my historical knowledge of the world is not mindboggling great but I do know that we live in a modern world that is more openminded than ever before.

If you don't mind, I'd like to ask you this: How can you blame Italy for their curent living conditions which you clearly don't like? Maybe I can put that a bit clearer: How can you blame Italy as a country?

Well it might be because Italy is my favourite country in the world that I don't understand your point of view. I can say for certain that if I was an Italian I would see no reason to ever leave Italy. In fact if one day I become a rich man it is the country I stribe to live in.

 

[Antti]

Tommi :thumbsup: Agreed with your every point.

Stop living in the past guys. EU laws made possible for many people to achieve things in life, without being stopped by their own countries' problems.

You really can't compare normal life and sport industry such as football. They are way too different be under same laws. Too bad EU don't get it but, hell, it's nothing new. EU laws and sense meet each other hardly ever.

As it has been said s p o r t called football would win if there were foreign limits. EU politicians who didn't confess the special status of football and certain Jean-Marc Bosman are the worst things that happened to this lovely sport during last 15 years. Phuck to them!

Sorry to upset some of you but if it was up to me there were just five foreigners (or max 7) allowed in every domestic league. But to be realistic 50% rule would be more than excellent in the 2000 and even 3 domestic player rule would be a step forward. Hope UEFA (Johannsson) does something to save sport and culture.

Off to watch Czech Rebublic-Finland. Forza Finlandia!

 

[Fabio]

Good question Alex!

Fabio :thumbsup:

 

[Frisko]

You're painting a very bleak picture of the world and England in particular then.

All the opposite, England is far more advanced as a country if you ask me. There are FAR more foreigner people in England than in Italy, but they are far better integrated in society.

How can I blame Italy? Well, in Italy I needed to be a rich guy to go to university. There were no such things as scolarships, or any other mean to achieve a full education without having some deep pockets.

Work? Even worse, you just can't work in Italy. All of my friends in Italy are now working in their family business, the ones who couldn't, aren't doing much at all.

You said it well Alex, if one day you get RICH, you'll have no probs living in Italy.

Sport is different? Not that much. You must remember that football players are WORKERS. Peter Cech wanted to join the EPL a couple of years ago but he couldn't because he couldn't get a work permit.

 

[Gismo]

It's not like football is in disarray because clubs are allowed unlimited foreigners.

The youngsters will come through if they are good enough.

Don´t know about that. It all depends what the coach wants. Italian U21 team has won almost every major trophies since five years and where are the majority of them now? I´m sure they´re talented enough.

This is a question I've been wondering about for so many years now. It just seems there are so many young Italian talents. Yet you get the impression that many of them just don't make it big time in their careers. How come?!?

And this is the only national team I've noticed this in... Strange. :confused2:

OK, Francesco. Well I can understand that one could leave Italy temporarily to get an education then if you don't have opportunity to work in your family's business. It's better to move to England from Italy if you're forced to do it to avoid becoming poor.

I wonder though, could you imagine yourself one day moving back to Italy if you might one day get a job there?

 

[Mikkel]

Sorry to upset some of you but if it was up to me there were just five foreigners (or max 7) allowed in every domestic league. But to be realistic 50% rule would be more than excellent in the 2000 and even 3 domestic player rule would be a step forward. Hope UEFA (Johannsson) does something to save sport and culture.

Then I'm glad that it's not up to you, but EU. I LOVE EU and thier lows.

 

[Roberto]

I'm with Tommi Fabio and all the other people who want Inter to have more italians. Doesn't everybody remember the great inter teams of the past when we won scudetto's and were a european powerhouse? We had great italian players and the majority of the players were italian. How can we consider ourselves an Italian club if there are barely any italians. It is just strictly geography now.