Cesare Casadei

[.h.]

those are some great examples of players that may get a chance at inter in the next couple of seasons. For Fabbian, depending on our transfer window, I could definitely see him having a role with us next year, we're going to be light in midfield I think anyway.

For Stankovic, I dont know how good or not he is, he seems to have conceeded quite a few, but he's also started every single game except 1 this season, so that has to be a good sign.

Oristiano has started all season, so has Mulattieri basically, so these are players I'd consider 'on track' for their development.


personal view - Satriano is a little disappointing this season for me. He's never really broken into the first team and his output is pretty poor, but at least he's a regular squad player for Empoli. I dont know if he'll make it for Inter or not.
Agoume seems to finally be breaking through but has had a lot of inconsistencies, I'd say relative to the high expectations, this is a disappointing season for him I guess


Males is playing regularly and being productive, its a good thing to see, though i think the suggestion is we were looking to sell him?

Colidio is disappointing in that he's done a big step back and isnt really performing that regularly there anymore (output wise rather than gametime)

Pirola is finally starting to play regularly, great to see after a rough start to the season, I would imagine we'll make a lot of thinking about whether we trigger the counter option or not this summer

Salcedo disappointing as fuck. We need to offload.


Zinho just makes me sad, he could have been a strong player for Inter, but he's the new Sensi

 

[junior55]

if we use Juventus with their U23 team as an example, look at how they've integrated Fagioli as a good example - 2 seasons at Serie C level, 1 season Serie B level, now ready for first team (albeit still kind of forced because of midfield issues)

Gatti? similar journey. Serie C, Serie B, Serie A

Enzo? Serie C 2 seasons, the last as the starter and squad for Serie A

Miretti - Serie C starter one season with squad role in Serie A, now Serie A regular



You gotta give these boys game time against men and let them show their qualities before you just jump them into a top team's first team. This is why I'm massively in favour of loans - as long as the loans are to the right places where they'll actually start regularly (which is something Inter seems to consistently fuck up)

This is also why I'm in favour of us developing a U23 team - if we have that, we can have squad players available to us while still having them developing at a decent level with regular game time.


The 'romantic' youth team -> first team is so damn rare (Eg Donnarumma) that you're basically looking at once a generation for a top club like Inter/Juve/Milan/etc - because you either need to be good enough to be in the squad getting regular (unforced) gametime, or you need to have lucky circumstances that you can play for 10 games or so straight (eg if we had Correa, Dzeko, and Lautaro out for a long period of time, Carboni would probably be starting some of these games)

It's much easier to do it at a smaller club where you get time and patience to break through, and you can learn and, tbh, the talent level is lower so on sheer talent its easier to stand out. Thats why Bastoni, Barella, many of these guys are developed in lower Serie A/B teams before coming to a big club.


There's nothing that would make me happier than seeing a starting XI full of Inter developed youth, all justified by talent to be there - but we wont get there by either putting too much pressure on their shoulders and not providing the right support, or having them play maybe 5-7 games with 10 minutes a game a season like Valentin Carboni has this year (6 senior appearances for a total of 34 minutes is just a waste of everyone's time, tbh)

Great post !

And for everyone selling the narrative how did this club keep Gagliardini and sell Casadei. Do you really believe that our directors are that short-sighted to not understand the latter had the more potential? Or really believe that if it would have been possible to do the opposite they would not have done it.

Casadei as i always wrote in this thread was at his most sellable point last year. He had tremendous stats which were mainly due to him being way bigger physically than the rest of the competition ( and the same was valid in the u20 match last night) hence he scored almost all of his goals with easy headers. That doesn't mean he wasn't good or that i wouldn't have loved to keep him. But in a club with financial pressure it made sense for us to sell him

Having an u23 team is a must for these youngsters to grow, but unlike Juve we don't have the money for it

 

[.h.]

I hope if the UCL run has given us anything, its given us the money to invest into an U-23 side for a couple of seasons. If run well, that would easily pay for itself.

Also, your post about Casedei is great - I've not seen him play so I cant comment, but 16m for a primavera player is a lot of money, I mean that's basically "his risk x valuation is higher than Sensi" levels of money, and I'd question if, given his relative lack of development/game time, that's a "fair" valuation

 

[CafeCordoba]

those are some great examples of players that may get a chance at inter in the next couple of seasons. For Fabbian, depending on our transfer window, I could definitely see him having a role with us next year, we're going to be light in midfield I think anyway.

For Stankovic, I dont know how good or not he is, he seems to have conceeded quite a few, but he's also started every single game except 1 this season, so that has to be a good sign.

Oristiano has started all season, so has Mulattieri basically, so these are players I'd consider 'on track' for their development.


personal view - Satriano is a little disappointing this season for me. He's never really broken into the first team and his output is pretty poor, but at least he's a regular squad player for Empoli. I dont know if he'll make it for Inter or not.
Agoume seems to finally be breaking through but has had a lot of inconsistencies, I'd say relative to the high expectations, this is a disappointing season for him I guess


Males is playing regularly and being productive, its a good thing to see, though i think the suggestion is we were looking to sell him?

Colidio is disappointing in that he's done a big step back and isnt really performing that regularly there anymore (output wise rather than gametime)

Pirola is finally starting to play regularly, great to see after a rough start to the season, I would imagine we'll make a lot of thinking about whether we trigger the counter option or not this summer

Salcedo disappointing as fuck. We need to offload.


Zinho just makes me sad, he could have been a strong player for Inter, but he's the new Sensi

To me Satriano's playing record indicates he's been, if not regular, but at least consistent at getting playing time in almost every match. In the past 2 months, he lost his spot but before that, he was playing quite a lot. Goals haven't been there but minutes have.

 

[.h.]

I havent followed it at all so I cant really comment, but just looking at it, his game time of on again, off again feels like a coach trying to get it to work but struggling. Kinda like De Vrij this season maybe? But as I said I've not followed Empoli really. His longest run was 3 games in a row where he pulled the full 90

 

[thatdude]

The mentality that kids from youth football can’t break through is an Italian mentality. Most other big footballing nations give players opportunities to their standout youth players in the first team. Certainly having a second team helps, and I am in no way anti-loan as long as it’s a good fit for the player (they need to have a realistic chance of playing).

However, we had an almost 20 year old on our books that was dominating youth level and we never even gave him a kick. If Casadei were German, French, Dutch, or Portuguese you can almost guarantee he’d have senior minutes. Even in England youth team players get opportunities in big clubs like Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool & Manchester City.

Two teams in Europe known for giving youth players a chance: Arsenal & Dortmund. One finished second in the “best league in the world” to a billion dollar City squad. The other is going to win the Bundesliga over Bayern Munich. Yet for Inter it’s impossible, the level of fighting for 4th in Serie A is just too high to give a youth team player a chance.

 

[Javier'sSon]

Yeah, sadly we play in Italy where fuckin dinosaurs make all the decisions, and what trash decisions they always make.

 

[CafeCordoba]

As you said, that's a lot deeper than Inter. It's indeed Italian mentality and you can't just blame one club for it. We can change it if we want, but it starts from the top. Arsenal and Dortmund have been doing that for years, for two decades?

 

[KevinB]

I just reckon our management doesn't really care about it.

It's the easiest way to gain some money but yet instead of giving minutes to Carboni or other youngsters, the staff/management keeps preferring to get us older peeps.

You'd be damn sure that if Inzaghi had to choose between lining up Carboni or potentially get Rocchi back on the field, Rocchi would be playing.

 

[DARi0]

this kid is murdering the Brazilian U 20 team right now

In the 27th minute, Italy doubled their lead after Casadei worked hard to meet a corner and head it into the Brazil net, giving his team a two-goal cushion.

Only seven minutes later, Casadei’s agile dribbling was too much for the Brazil defence and he was brought down in the penalty area, leading the referee to point to the spot. The Chelsea talent made no mistake from 12 yards out, calmly dispatching the penalty to make it 3-0 before half time.

 

[forzainter257]

As long as you are coached by someone who's only hope is to give freedom to experienced players to do whatever they think is right whenever his initial shit tactics go south, you will never see young players getting first team experience.

 

[.h.]

The mentality that kids from youth football can’t break through is an Italian mentality. Most other big footballing nations give players opportunities to their standout youth players in the first team. Certainly having a second team helps, and I am in no way anti-loan as long as it’s a good fit for the player (they need to have a realistic chance of playing).

However, we had an almost 20 year old on our books that was dominating youth level and we never even gave him a kick. If Casadei were German, French, Dutch, or Portuguese you can almost guarantee he’d have senior minutes. Even in England youth team players get opportunities in big clubs like Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool & Manchester City.

Two teams in Europe known for giving youth players a chance: Arsenal & Dortmund. One finished second in the “best league in the world” to a billion dollar City squad. The other is going to win the Bundesliga over Bayern Munich. Yet for Inter it’s impossible, the level of fighting for 4th in Serie A is just too high to give a youth team player a chance.

to be fair, your arguments are *very* timely. If it wasnt this season, but say last season, Arsenal fans would be very disappointed with their results and performance for 'trying to break youth out' in the last decade.


I dont know what the youth team set up looks like in Germany, but its interesting to note that the Premiership also has effectively something like an U-23 team - I think that's an important step for us.

The gap between U-19 and first team is huge - you either boss and dont develop at the Primavera level, or you dont get *enough* game time at the first team level to make strong progress. Thats exactly what I'm saying we should mirror a Juve U-23 team - it gives your guys 90 minutes week in week out against men, but also they can be played into the first team when required, rather than having to *definitely be out* or *definitely be in* the first team. It's a really important step, imho, and its one of the reasons why Juve are doing quite well breaking out new talent now


Funny thing is - if the talent is there, they can break it through. Look at Bastoni, he was just so damn good that we had to give him a first team starters spot. Same with Donnarumma at Milan. I think if we signed Scalvini and Frattesi, they'd both be *at a minimum* strong squad rotation options at Inter, if not at least 1 of them being a regular starter.



Just gonna look up some stats, out of itnerest

Saka broke through for Arsenal in the EPL 2 before moving into the first team in 19/20
Martinelli was a not insignificant transafer, and took 2 years of rotation position to break through for Arsenal (also injuries, etc)
Saliba has spent years out on loan from Arsenal, playing at ever higher levels before finally coming back in when they felt he was ready
Nketieh had development loans and Premier League 2 experience before really getting a big chance at Arsenal
Fabio Vieira is a Bastoni-esque signing in terms of cost
Lokonga was also an expensive signing


I looked at like, the top 15-20 players for Arsenal by appearances this season, so it might not be everyone, but I dont think the magical 'Arsenal just break kids through' really stacks up - its years of development in the right circumstances, and imho if anything, it reinforces the need for us to get the RIGHT loans for the kids we want to develop, AND also the need to have an U-23 team.

Carboni being 5th choice striker and playing comparatively little Primavera, or first team, this year is a disaster for his development. If instead he'd been playing U-23s as a regular starter, and then when needed called up to the first team, he'd have 2-3x the game time under his belt this season, and much more of it against professional players albeit at Serie C level.

 

[Il Drago]

I dont know what the youth team set up looks like in Germany, but its interesting to note that the Premiership also has effectively something like an U-23 team - I think that's an important step for us.

It's similar to Spain, and recently Italy. Their reserve teams are allowed to play up to third division.

 

[.h.]

It's similar to Spain, and recently Italy. Their reserve teams are allowed to play up to third division.

I dont think so? Premier League 2 looks like a separated fixture list, not like Man Utd reserves are playing in League 2 for example?

Maybe I misunderstood

Premier League 2, Competition Format & History

Find out about the format and history of the Premier League 2, formerly the U21 Premier League, on the official website of the Premier League.

www.premierleague.com

I think the important thing for me is that it provides regular gameplay for 19-21 year olds while also allowing them to be rotated into the first team squad if required. There's also a +6 overage player rule, so I think functionally it works as a pretty decent reserve side

 

[Il Drago]

I dont think so? Premier League 2 looks like a separated fixture list, not like Man Utd reserves are playing in League 2 for example?

I was referring to Germany. I should have erased Premier League part as well. My fault.

 

[.h.]

I was referring to Germany. I should have erased Premier League part as well. My fault.

ahh, okay. Sorry.

Yeah, I think the thing is i dont really mind which way it is, but the fact that we struggle for any real match time from U-19 going to first team bracket is a real problem in Italy IMHO

 

[kurt0411]

6 goals and 1 assist so far in the U20 World Cup. Fuck you Suning

 

[IM21]

6 goals and 1 assist so far in the U20 World Cup. Fuck you Suning

can he play at least one good season in a serious league before we go ''fuck suning''? He could also be loaned out for the next 5 years.... Also, was not good at all in the Championship, so I don't think this U20 tournament will prove anything new. He was always good vs kids, so its no surprise he's actually good here.

 

[thatdude]

can he play at least one good season in a serious league before we go ''fuck suning''? He could also be loaned out for the next 5 years.... Also, was not good at all in the Championship, so I don't think this U20 tournament will prove anything new. He was always good vs kids, so its no surprise he's actually good here.

Did you actually watch him play for Reading? I’m genuinely curious. I haven’t so all I’ve seen is the highlight tape below (nothing too spectacular but serviceable). He played a lot for them, although the are admittedly a poor team.

 

[Corrode]

can he play at least one good season in a serious league before we go ''fuck suning''? He could also be loaned out for the next 5 years.... Also, was not good at all in the Championship, so I don't think this U20 tournament will prove anything new. He was always good vs kids, so its no surprise he's actually good here.

Suning is troublesome you know. if anything, Suning are responsible to make inter financial goes burden than these graduated players.