Cesare Casadei

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Exactly. This is the elephant in the room.

We can debate all day about the merits of developing an exciting young prospect vs selling a completely unproven kid for good money. At the end of the day however, what is not up for debate is that the money we get for Casadei is fucking useless anyway. It's not enough to prevent the sale of a core player like Skriniar, nor is it enough to make a dent in our absurd debt or losses. At this point in the mercato, it's not even going towards financing any significant squad improvement.

Previously, I wanted the likes of Casadei and Pinamonti sold to finance the Bremer deal. Bremer would have been an excellent replacement for de Vrij and significantly strengthened our first team. Now though? We're literally trading a potential star for a 4th choice CB. Whotf does that?

There were reports that the Casadei transfer would go towards a deal for Lukaku - a couple of things about this. Firstly, those rumours have since gone by the wayside and all reports indicate that Casadei is a standalone deal for 15m cash with 5m in bonuses - not linked to Lukaku in any way.

Secondly, even if the transfers were linked, it's an absurd way to use the money. Even if we cooked the hell out of the books and overinflated Casadei's value, it would be so inadvisable to commit towards that kind of investment at this stage of Lukaku's second stint. What if he bombs? What if he's seriously injured? If he has a great season, he's extremely likely to want to continue with us anyway. If he flops, we could cut costs. If he succeeds, we would have all the leverage for a second loan, so why rush into securing a fee now?

Then again, we had all the leverage when we first re-signed him yet that didn't stop us giving him ridiculous wages.
How is money we get for Casadei useless? Maybe by selling Pinamonti and Casadei this summer stopped Zhang from ordering the sale of a starter? That's an automatic win for us.

You are making conclusions on issues we don't have full knowledge.
 

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How is money we get for Casadei useless? Maybe by selling Pinamonti and Casadei this summer stopped Zhang from ordering the sale of a starter? That's an automatic win for us.

You are making conclusions on issues we don't have full knowledge.
On one hand, yes.

On the other, we made massive profits last summer through Hakimi and Lukaku, way above the reported requirement of 60m. Yet here we are again, needing another 60m (reportedly) as if last summer didn't happen.
 

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On one hand, yes.

On the other, we made massive profits last summer through Hakimi and Lukaku, way above the reported requirement of 60m. Yet here we are again, needing another 60m (reportedly) as if last summer didn't happen.
What 60m requirement? I don't remember there was any 60m requirement last summer? This 60m (or 80m) requirement THIS SUMMER is from the press. No club person has said this figure to reporters.

Generally, if owners force us to sell what else management can do but to sell? They can try to persuade owners to push the sales or they can resign if they don't want to sell.

If owners force a sale this summer and our management sell Pinamonti and Casadei and not Skriniar or Dumfries, that's fine by me. Specially given the numbers we got from Pinamonti+Casadei.
 

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What 60m requirement? I don't remember there was any 60m requirement last summer? This 60m (or 80m) requirement THIS SUMMER is from the press. No club person has said this figure to reporters.

Generally, if owners force us to sell what else management can do but to sell? They can try to persuade owners to push the sales or they can resign if they don't want to sell.

If owners force a sale this summer and our management sell Pinamonti and Casadei and not Skriniar or Dumfries, that's fine by me. Specially given the numbers we got from Pinamonti+Casadei.
That figure is leaked from club figures. All media don't sit together and come up with €60 mil out of thin air.

Well management can do a much better job selling the deadwood. If they sold sensi, Lazaro, ect they wouldn't need to sell cassadei. Their inability to find clubs willing to buy them is what creates issues and has for years.
 

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Sure, should we change the management then to directors who can sell Lazaro and Sensi?

Deadwood, by definition, is something useless to you. Big chance is useless players for Inter are useless players for others too and no one wants to buy useless players.
 

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To be fair even if we sold those guys we'd still sell casedei for that level of money I suspect and use it elsewhere. If we got 15 for casedei and used it to buy another player like Asllani I'd be mega happy. Must be a good young CB somewhere we could get for that?
 

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Stefan, I don’t think the problem lies with Inter in trying to sell those players.

They are absolutely dead fucking wood. They are the equivalent of a market for varying grades of shit. The problem with those players is that evey club knows how terrible they are and no club is prepared to go in for them. Inter offering shit players high wages also complicates things because they remain on our books until the end of their contract.
 

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What 60m requirement? I don't remember there was any 60m requirement last summer? This 60m (or 80m) requirement THIS SUMMER is from the press. No club person has said this figure to reporters.
Obviously there is no official communication from the club stating "we need 60m." That is never going to happen.

That doesn't mean much though. It's undeniable that there is some kind of mandate or requirement for us to raise funds, reduce wages or meet some kind of financial parameter.

Examples: the 2017 Ausilio plusvalenza summer and the 2021/22 mercato, especially the Hakimi situation. In both cases, there was no club statement, let alone figures provided, just some vague PR bullshit about sustainability. As all reputable sources reported though, we happened to sell or behave in a way which practically confirmed the existence of these financial requirements you're questioning.

So what is the point of your rebuttal to Black Knight? You can't ask people to point to some undeniable evidence or club statement as fact. You know fully well that this is not how it works.

Must be a good young CB somewhere we could get for that?
In the scheme of things, 34 is still young.
 

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We made €245.6 million loss during 2020-21 season and Hakimi/Lukaku sales helped immensly to cover some of those losses, with that Oaktree loan.

Last season it was reported ~€100 million of losses.

So one could calculate that Suning try to make up that loss, with rasing €60-80 million from players sales and cutting wages for -15%, witch comes close to ~€20m.

As it comes to promising young CB’s I would be all over Giorgio Scalvini from Atalanta. I know still raw and just 18, but he is on last year of contract and have some talent?

But I think Simone wan’t someone more mature as these Italian managers usually do?
 

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Obviously there is no official communication from the club stating "we need 60m." That is never going to happen.

That doesn't mean much though. It's undeniable that there is some kind of mandate or requirement for us to raise funds, reduce wages or meet some kind of financial parameter.

Examples: the 2017 Ausilio plusvalenza summer and the 2021/22 mercato, especially the Hakimi situation. In both cases, there was no club statement, let alone figures provided, just some vague PR bullshit about sustainability. As all reputable sources reported though, we happened to sell or behave in a way which practically confirmed the existence of these financial requirements you're questioning.

So what is the point of your rebuttal to Black Knight? You can't ask people to point to some undeniable evidence or club statement as fact. You know fully well that this is not how it works.


In the scheme of things, 34 is still young.
Point was, @Black Knight tried to tell that Hakimi + Lukaku made us profits over some 60m€ figure. Did we have some figure back then? Maybe, but it didn't mean much. We sold those two guys and made much more. So if we have a figure now, let's say 60m€, what does it mean? It doesn't mean much because things can change. Despite the massive profits we made from those two sales, we still probably made losses in the financial year, we'll get the numbers in October/November I believe. So it's not like we made TOO MUCH money.

If ownership is made content with selling Pinamonti and Casadei now and leave first team untouched, we do that. It's very fucking simple. We are here to compete and win games.
 

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Point was, @Black Knight tried to tell that Hakimi + Lukaku made us profits over some 60m€ figure. Did we have some figure back then? Maybe, but it didn't mean much. We sold those two guys and made much more. So if we have a figure now, let's say 60m€, what does it mean? It doesn't mean much because things can change. Despite the massive profits we made from those two sales, we still probably made losses in the financial year, we'll get the numbers in October/November I believe. So it's not like we made TOO MUCH money.

If ownership is made content with selling Pinamonti and Casadei now and leave first team untouched, we do that. It's very fucking simple. We are here to compete and win games.
I should have made it clearer that I meant a net transfer profit, as opposed to an overall profit in the club's balance sheet.

There definitely was a 60M figure reported in the press because I used that repeatedly to argue that if Lukaku had made his intentions of going to Chelsea clear at the beginning of the transfer window, we wouldn't have managed to get the >100M figure that we eventually did end up selling him for. Everyone knew we had that magic 60M figure to reach, so that's what we would have been offered. And it wouldn't have necessarily saved us from selling Hakimi.

But of course, you are right at the end of the day. It doesn't matter and everyone has a price due to the massive black hole that is our finances.
 

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Ah, yeah. Now that you mentioned it specifically, I recall it that certain number was thrown around back then TOO. I had forgotten it completely.
 

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