Antonio Conte

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For me, it's not about playing good football or beautiful looking football. The formation and tactics are irrelevant.

What I want to see is a more sustainable kind of football. One which increases our chances of winning in the longer run, one which makes us competitive against the likes of Bayern and Real and others. Today we are winning. Is our current football going to help us there? I am sure it won't. Not having the ball at all, and relying on Conte to counter on the channel isn't going to work on a consistent basis against better opposition.

That's all there is to it.
I completely agree. Which is why I said I like Conte's explanation in the post-match. This season, there are only 9 matches left to be played. There is no longer any need to build or develop any football style anymore. Just grind it out and secure the Scudetto which is in our grasp.

At the current moment, at this current situation, with the past 11 years as our history/burden, 3 points is all that matters.
 

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Everybody have their opinion about playing good or having a good style of play.

I don't actually care much about how you win. If you win on the pitch then you have played better.

Mourinho after Bayern game said: "they can have the ball we take the trophy."
 

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For me, it's not about playing good football or beautiful looking football. The formation and tactics are irrelevant.

What I want to see is a more sustainable kind of football. One which increases our chances of winning in the longer run, one which makes us competitive against the likes of Bayern and Real and others. Today we are winning. Is our current football going to help us there? I am sure it won't. Not having the ball at all, and relying on Conte to counter on the channel isn't going to work on a consistent basis against better opposition.

That's all there is to it.

Not so sure about it. Last season, Inter showed that this style could be effective against Barca, despite it was last for only one half. PSG also won against Bayern with similar tactics last night.
 

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Not so sure about it. Last season, Inter showed that this style could be effective against Barca, despite it was last for only one half. PSG also won against Bayern with similar tactics last night.

Because they had Mbappe? because Bayern missed a million chances? PSG were trash yesterday
 

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Let's take this step by step. We win the Scudetto this season, we build the winning mentality, we build the unity, we build the confidence. Those are needed to keep the winning.

It's also obvious Inter is such a big club that it demands success in Europe too. And that requires more than what we've seen in our game this season. That demands more focus to our style of play. But that comes later. Its place is not here, right now.
 

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Let's take this step by step. We win the Scudetto this season, we build the winning mentality, we build the unity, we build the confidence. Those are needed to keep the winning.

It's also obvious Inter is such a big club that it demands success in Europe too. And that requires more than what we've seen in our game this season. That demands more focus to our style of play. But that comes later. Its place is not here, right now.

exactly.

Continual improvement is all I ask for. Let's win the league, build a winning mentality, give some serious confidence to our younger players (Barella, Bastoni, Lautaro, Hakimi are all young kids in the scheme of things), and then we can work on the next level of tactical complexity and play.

It's impossible to take a group of strangers and play like Barca after a season - esp when you're behind in games and struggling to win. When you're dominant, you have more chance to take risk and introduce more complex ideas.
 

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Because they had Mbappe? because Bayern missed a million chances? PSG were trash yesterday

Our defense is much better than PSG's but we don't have Mbappe thou. Anyway Lautaro and Lukaku are good enough for this kind of football. If we add more decent midfielders to Barella and quality LWB, Inter can challenge the teams of Barca and City's category.
 

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But let’s win Serie A for some seasons, if possible, to have better income/squad before worrying about CL.

Don't agree with this. We are in no position to compete for CL today, but that doesn't mean we wait for 4 years for it. Next season we have to compete there. Competing doesn't mean going all the way, but reaching QFs should be a minimum goal.

Our squad today is 3-4 signings away from being competitive there, the tactics have to fall in place now. Most top players will not be happy with just trying to win domestically year after year without looking at CL. And look at examples like Liverpool, who won CL before the league.

People are not really complaining about today or last few matches. That is understandable. It has been a weird season, actually two seasons. Everyone just wants to wrap up the title and celebrate something after a decade. And all sorts of ugliness will be accepted for it.

What people want is a realization that the same will not continue next season. Of course we cannot expect Conte or anyone to openly admit this. But deep down, we want to believe they aren't ignorant about it.

Edit - Let's not bring Mourinho or our treble into this. There is a reason Inter were never favourites, or remotely expected to win the CL again even if the team was kept the same. Those things don't last for long. And irrespective of what happened last night, you will still fancy that Bayern has a chance to go through. Even if they don't, they will still be one of the favourites next season even against PSG.

A strong defence is the foundation. You need to build on top of it.
 

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Yep. a strong defense is the foundation. That's why I'm pleased about Skriniar-De Vrij-Bastoni. De Vrij is the oldest at 29, but really I dont see any issue with him playing at the top level for 4+ more years.

I think the midfield needs a lot of work to make them more effective, true of Barella as well as everyone else tbh. But it's a long way improved since Inter of a few years ago where our midfield was non existent.
 

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The issue people have is that as others said, this feels unsustainable.

This feels like Conte's "Tripleta", the top of the mountain. That's as high as we can go and everyone knows this is an asterisk ridden season. We barely beat Sassuolo's B+ squad, missing their best players, we are going to face Cagliari without their main goalkeeper and a lot of other things have gone in our way this year with the only real setback being missing some players in the first Milanese derby.

It feels like this is as best as it can get. Sure, we can all enjoy the moment, but it's not some iconic season it's a crappy one with no fans, players all over the world being left unpaid and we're just sneaking into this opportunity. We're doing a good job at that, but is there a future here? Is this going to be the case next season, assuming we win here? Are we going to advance from the CL group? The way we showcase ourselves, it feels like this team's ceiling is to win a covid Scudetto. You win the league with Inter, the fans get very demanding. Does this group possess the mental capacity to compete in situations where a full Meazza will be expecting results and jeering every stupidly misplaced pass or crap shot attempt?
It's been a tiring year for all of course and not one to draw conclusions or one that's very useful in making assumptions, but the way we're operating in the last few months feels more like a run of Pyrrhic victories than a sustainable brand of football culture. If at the end of the season it gets us silverware, it's more than welcome, but we have a lot of shit to address in the summer, and not just football related unfortunately.
 

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It's a creappy season for everyone, and there's fair argument that this one has been far less disrupted than last season (e.g. artifically playing all the remaining matches at an accelerated pace, without the interruption of European games).

For me, the form we've shown in the second half of this season has a lot of potential. Let's not forget during the treble we almost got knocked out of the CL at the group stages, had moments like Muntari sent off after 45s vs Catania, and games like the Siena 4-3 where we could have ended up throwing everything away.

Can we reflect, for a second, on the fact that we've not spent even 1 minute behind in the last i dunno 10 games? I cant remember what the stat is now. That's simply incredible. And the first team in history to win the first 10 reverse fixtures of the season
 

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The issue people have is that as others said, this feels unsustainable.

This feels like Conte's "Tripleta", the top of the mountain. That's as high as we can go and everyone knows this is an asterisk ridden season. We barely beat Sassuolo's B+ squad, missing their best players, we are going to face Cagliari without their main goalkeeper and a lot of other things have gone in our way this year with the only real setback being missing some players in the first Milanese derby.

It feels like this is as best as it can get. Sure, we can all enjoy the moment, but it's not some iconic season it's a crappy one with no fans, players all over the world being left unpaid and we're just sneaking into this opportunity. We're doing a good job at that, but is there a future here? Is this going to be the case next season, assuming we win here? Are we going to advance from the CL group? The way we showcase ourselves, it feels like this team's ceiling is to win a covid Scudetto. You win the league with Inter, the fans get very demanding. Does this group possess the mental capacity to compete in situations where a full Meazza will be expecting results and jeering every stupidly misplaced pass or crap shot attempt?
It's been a tiring year for all of course and not one to draw conclusions or one that's very useful in making assumptions, but the way we're operating in the last few months feels more like a run of Pyrrhic victories than a sustainable brand of football culture. If at the end of the season it gets us silverware, it's more than welcome, but we have a lot of shit to address in the summer, and not just football related unfortunately.

While I agree with all that you said, you should remember that triplete season was also based on a lot of stingy performances. It's the ugly wins that get you trophies. Nothing wrong with that. Look at Juve's dominance under Allegri, 70% of those performances were ugly 1:0 or 2:1 outcomes.
The underappreciated consideration is that perhaps this team would actually perform better if it wasn't for the pandemic. Even millionaire athletes can't escape the mental rut that is brought by this global bullshit, what good is money when you aren't allowed to go out and spend it.
 

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We had ugly wins the year of the treble but we were playing on all front. Siena, Bayern, Roma, our three finals, we won them for multiple reasons, one of them is the fighting spirit and a silver will.

Our players were totally out of gas and our bench wasn't that good with many players at the end of their carriers (Drago, Cordoba) and some others that you couldn't rely on (Arnautovic, Balo).
 

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While I agree with all that you said, you should remember that triplete season was also based on a lot of stingy performances. It's the ugly wins that get you trophies. Nothing wrong with that. Look at Juve's dominance under Allegri, 70% of those performances were ugly 1:0 or 2:1 outcomes.
The underappreciated consideration is that perhaps this team would actually perform better if it wasn't for the pandemic. Even millionaire athletes can't escape the mental rut that is brought by this global bullshit, what good is money when you aren't allowed to go out and spend it.

The Triplete got us there trophies and a position in Italian and European football pantheon. This season just gets us Scudetto #19 and ends a club level drought, something that is a cyclical part of Inter's history if you look back. It's not comparable.
And it was a different animal, this time we're getting battered at times from inferior teams, in 2009-10 we definitely hit higher fatigue levels and had a lot of drama. And terrible refereeing against us, which was not the case in this season.


Also, I think we would not perform better without the pandemic. It sorta helped us last season as it came at a moment of bad form, it killed off Lazio and it got us to play the European fixtures in one leg and at the end of the season without having to worry about rotation. And it also gave us 5 subs which helped us a lot more than it helped other teams. So truly, we were not on a path for success until the covid outbreak and the fact that we failed in CL for a second time when games were more congested shows this. For Serie A's ending, it was irrelevant as congested fixtures were there for all and the quality of midtable and lowtable teams doesn't compare to CL opposition.
 

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I support Inter since 1994,so dont give me that crap.

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Everybody have their opinion about playing good or having a good style of play.

I don't actually care much about how you win. If you win on the pitch then you have played better.

Mourinho after Bayern game said: "they can have the ball we take the trophy."

Yea, but it was fkn Bayern, not Sassuolo without key players at Meazza.
 

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The issue people have is that as others said, this feels unsustainable.

This feels like Conte's "Tripleta", the top of the mountain. That's as high as we can go and everyone knows this is an asterisk ridden season. We barely beat Sassuolo's B+ squad, missing their best players, we are going to face Cagliari without their main goalkeeper and a lot of other things have gone in our way this year with the only real setback being missing some players in the first Milanese derby.

It feels like this is as best as it can get. Sure, we can all enjoy the moment, but it's not some iconic season it's a crappy one with no fans, players all over the world being left unpaid and we're just sneaking into this opportunity. We're doing a good job at that, but is there a future here? Is this going to be the case next season, assuming we win here? Are we going to advance from the CL group? The way we showcase ourselves, it feels like this team's ceiling is to win a covid Scudetto. You win the league with Inter, the fans get very demanding. Does this group possess the mental capacity to compete in situations where a full Meazza will be expecting results and jeering every stupidly misplaced pass or crap shot attempt?
It's been a tiring year for all of course and not one to draw conclusions or one that's very useful in making assumptions, but the way we're operating in the last few months feels more like a run of Pyrrhic victories than a sustainable brand of football culture. If at the end of the season it gets us silverware, it's more than welcome, but we have a lot of shit to address in the summer, and not just football related unfortunately.

I partly agree with this but I'm not buying the doubt we wouldn't be strong enough with full Meazza and the crowds. I feel we could be even better in full Meazza. We have some serious vets to bear the possible pressure (Handa, Vidal, Kolarov, Young, Perisic) and seasoned players (De Vrij, Lukaku, Skriniar, Brozovic). The young core is obviously the ones who might be under pressure the most but they have played in Meazza, they know the drill and they have delivered.

We are actually in a place where we might need the change least of our competitors. We need to remember, it will take time from Juve to change too. They have their young players too, they don't have real carries there apart from CR7, Chiesa and De Ligt. Chiellini is completely done, so is Buffon. Bonucci is not that good and not a good leader when he's out there without Chiellini (or the BBC actually).

My feeling is we need changes, some tweaks to the roster but not that much. Then we need to play better game next season. But that's for the next season. We will have better preseason this summer (despite euros) than last time when we had basically no pre-season at all. If Conte does not find better models to play, more patterns for combinations, more complex stuff, we might indeed be in trouble. But I really doubt that will be the case because Conte is not a stupid coach, he's a smart guy who understands football.

This might be optimistic but I'll go with that for now.
 
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Imagine the plastic Inter fans are actually trying to downplay this scudetto by saying it’s a COVID scudetto and we’re only gonna win it because everyone else is shit. Mind you this is the same club that hasn’t won a trophy in 10 fucking years hahahahahaha. And we are well on course to hit 90 plus points in a season. This is why no one bothers to come post on this place anymore, riddled with ungrateful plastics
 

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Imagine the plastic Inter fans are actually trying to downplay this scudetto by saying it’s a COVID scudetto and we’re only gonna win it because everyone else is shit. Mind you this is the same club that hasn’t won a trophy in 10 fucking years hahahahahaha. And we are well on course to hit 90 plus points in a season. This is why no one bothers to come post on this place anymore, riddled with ungrateful plastics

What is exactly your issue?

You can ignore this forum if you don't like it. We have plenty of people here writing about Inter. I really didn't see anything bothering in brehme's post if that's what you're referring to. Forum is a place where different opinions are expressed.

If you don't bother to come to post on this place anymore, that's fine (and yet, you still came to post in this place).
 

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I think we should sack Conte and hire Allegri who is the best available coach as people here suggest.

And when they find Allegri's football even more boring, we can sack him and get Sarri for some free flowing attacking football. If Sarri doesn't work out, I'm sure the coach prodigy and life long Interista Andrea Pirlo will be available.
 

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I think we should sack Conte and hire Allegri who is the best available coach as people here suggest.

And when they find Allegri's football even more boring, we can sack him and get Sarri for some free flowing attacking football. If Sarri doesn't work out, I'm sure the coach prodigy and life long Interista Andrea Pirlo will be available.

We could just use the time machine and get Moggi, Lippi and Conte. Oh wait... Scratch that, it's just Moggi left.
 
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