Alvaro "Il Chino" Recoba

[Wallace]

He didn't? Mancini was so persistent to play him in the starting eleven, until he got back on form. Every team needs some sort of "big name" player to hold the team together/alleviate the pressure for other players.

Apparantly, Adriano would need an experienced player "like" Vieri who could take responsibilities away from Adriano, so that he could start performing again. That's what Vieri was like back in 2004/2005, although he didn't play as much as he did like previous seasons, but when he played, strikers beside him certainly looked a lot more confident and comfortable.

BTW, I didn't say he led Inter, because he obviously didn't . But having him around could give other strikers morale boost, especially when they had more competitions, they seemed to work harder.

Sorry to go off topic, because this has nothing to do with Recoba.

 

[fcinterfan]

but when he played, strikers beside him certainly looked a lot more confident and comfortable.

Are you insinuating that Adriano played "better" alongside Vieri than with other Inter strikers at that time?
As far as I can remember, the Adriano-Martins was so HUGE back then that they scored at least 20 goals each in all competitions. And that, Mancini was so in loved with it that he keeps telling the press Adriano and Martins is the future of Inter. And this, moreover, moved Vieri out of the picture completely. Remember the Coppa Italia Finals? Remember his switch to Bilan a couple of months after? Of course you do...
Sorry for being off topic...

 

[Wallace]

Are you insinuating that Adriano played "better" alongside Vieri than with other Inter strikers at that time?
As far as I can remember, the Adriano-Martins was so HUGE back then that they scored at least 20 goals each in all competitions. And that, Mancini was so in loved with it that he keeps telling the press Adriano and Martins is the future of Inter. And this, moreover, moved Vieri out of the picture completely. Remember the Coppa Italia Finals? Remember his switch to Bilan a couple of months after? Of course you do...
Sorry for being off topic...

Actually no, Adriano-Martins didn't have as much time to play as Adriano-Vieri or Vieri-Martins. When Adriano did finally get to play with Martins more, his form dropped amazingly. But in fact, every game up to 60th minutes Mancini starts throwing out strikers, that made our striking force looked sharp.

20 goals each in all competition, I'm not sure if they scored those when they were playing along side each other, may be that's for you to prove.

Adriano + Martins have always been said they were the future of Inter, which in fact they still are. When they were on form, of course there are more people talking about them(on-form separately, really). Vieri on the other hand, helped the team immensely during 2nd half of that season, his co-operation with Martins was far better than Adriano-Martins (Yeh, I say we should throw Adriano out). Coppa Final was really Adriano's one man show rather than Adriano + Martins. When Adriano was on-fire at that time, mostly he played beside Vieri (first half). Then 2nd half of the season, Adriano ran out of fire and Vieri - Martins was certainly the better duo. Adriano didn't really get much chance to play with Martins then.

But what I have been saying is, Vieri gives mentality boost to other strikers, not just scoring for the team. Seems like you are not even reading what I wrote ?

 

[Opeum]

simply becos vieri was a legend at inter that time. th best striker in italy perhps and th youngters, martin and adriano looked up upon vieri.

 

[Pi]

I like Recoba, I always did, I know he did not give much to the team in this past years, however, for me, Recoba is a symbol of Inter, almost like Javier Zanetti, and still I believe that he can do some good to Inter.

Whenever you say Recoba, you say Inter and those free-kicks can't be wasted on Livorno, however if he get's loaned I wish him the very best. Wouldn't be sad if Recoba had a great season when loaned out?

 

[Karim]

Recoba is good, I agree with you

http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=94445

If this was Inter though, Alvaro would have been Cassano and Javier would have been Woodgate, i'm sure comin after is Cordoba

 

[Wallace]

Recoba is a symbol of Inter, almost like Javier Zanetti, and still I believe that he can do some good to Inter.

You are very wrong here. Recoba and J.Zanetti might have been in Inter for the longest time, but they are incomparable to the importance of Adriano. J.Zanetti might have contributed much more than Adriano, but Adriano is already the main symbol for Inter. When you mention Inter to non-Inter fan, the first player they know is Adriano, regardless how sh*t he plays. Very unfortunate indeed. :yuck:

 

[J zanetti]

You are very wrong here. Recoba and J.Zanetti might have been in Inter for the longest time, but they are incomparable to the importance of Adriano. J.Zanetti might have contributed much more than Adriano, but Adriano is already the main symbol for Inter. When you mention Inter to non-Inter fan, the first player they know is Adriano, regardless how sh*t he plays. Very unfortunate indeed. :yuck:

I'm sorry but that is BS. If you ask a popcorn fan, then perhaps yes - if you ask a teenage kid running around with an Inter shirt while having tons of others football jerseys in his closet, then yes. But please spare the argument of Adri being the Inter symbol – the kid needs to achieve much more before being even considered a symbol of our club. He has a long way to go… so lets not jump into conclusions here.

 

[Frisko]

I'm sorry but that is BS. If you ask a popcorn fan, then perhaps yes - if you ask a teenage kid running around with an Inter shirt while having tons of others football jerseys in his closet, then yes. But please spare the argument of Adri being the Inter symbol – the kid needs to achieve much more before being even considered a symbol of our club. He has a long way to go… so lets not jump into conclusions here.

Completely agree, Adriano has lots, lots and lots of work to do even just to undo the horrible season he had last year, not to mention being an Inter symbol.

 

[Wallace]

I'm sorry but that is BS. If you ask a popcorn fan, then perhaps yes - if you ask a teenage kid running around with an Inter shirt while having tons of others football jerseys in his closet, then yes. But please spare the argument of Adri being the Inter symbol – the kid needs to achieve much more before being even considered a symbol of our club. He has a long way to go… so lets not jump into conclusions here.

Well, for an Inter fans that's of course, most of us knows Adriano sucks (do we?) but for a non-inter fan, he's already the main figure of Inter. How often you see Adriano in a front page representing Inter rather than J.Zanetti?

 

[J zanetti]

Well, for an Inter fans that's of course, most of us knows Adriano sucks (do we?) but for a non-inter fan, he's already the main figure of Inter. How often you see Adriano in a front page representing Inter rather than J.Zanetti?

And that is exactly why I mentioned pop corn fans and the rest of them. Those who know their stuff would not refer to Adri as our club symbol. And if they do, they are not worth my time to set them right. They will eventually grow up anyway let’s stick to the topic and not get carried away here.

 

[Handoyo]

Sorry Ashkan, but I got carried away and have to stick with Sasuke here.

There are many ways to categorize a player to be the club's "symbol"; mainly "the most famous player" and "the player that has sticked with the club through thick & thin." Using the former categorization, it is obvious that Adriano is the symbol of the club. Not only that, Inter themselves have chosen Adriano to be their symbol. Most of the pictures, news, merchandise and even e-greeting-cards are l'Imperator-ized.

As for me, and I'm sure you yourself, the Inter symbol remains:

Handyo

 

[J zanetti]

Sorry Ashkan, but I got carried away and have to stick with Sasuke here.

There are many ways to categorize a player to be the club's "symbol"; mainly "the most famous player" and "the player that has sticked with the club through thick & thin." Using the former categorization, it is obvious that Adriano is the symbol of the club. Not only that, Inter themselves have chosen Adriano to be their symbol. Most of the pictures, news, merchandise and even e-greeting-cards are l'Imperator-ized.
Handyo

Han,
I certainly agree with you that our club would like to portrait Adriano as the club symbol. And surely kids would rather have Adrianos name on the back of their jerseys rather than the likes of il chino and few other long serving members. Because at the end of the day it is all about the $ and surely Adri’s image regardless of his display on the pitch does bring us most revenues compare to any other of our players.
However my point is that although clubs in general use certain marketing strategies to gain maximum profit, yet large section of fans does not necessary agree with those so called long term business plans and/or marketing strategies. I seriously believe that Adri mainly symbolise the club in the eye of non-inter supporters and generally speaking our younger crowd. However I believe it is a the right tactic to use by clubs in general because after all (at least in Europe) it is usually the younger fan base who spend a lot of money on fancy merchandises and so on. So to me il chino (just to stick with the topic a bit here lol) symbolise the club 10 times more than what Adri currently does.
I just wanted to explain myself a bit more here, as I think in essence we do agree here.

 

[minterke]

Mancini, himself, said Adriano is the symbol of our club and we all agreed with him when he said it. He is the same symbol that Ronaldo once was, and he became a symbol for the same reasons. For putting up insane performances and scoring wonder goals and put his name and Inter's name on the map. Inter's popularity grew alot because of Adriano I hope you know.

 

[Handoyo]

For putting up insane performances and scoring wonder goals and put his name and Inter's name on the map.

Yeah, in his 2.5 years here, he only did that for approximately 1 year, that's 40% of his whole time here!

Whatever the reason is.

Inter's popularity grew alot because of Adriano I hope you know.

I'm not interested in gaining supporters who support Inter because of a particular fondness to Adriano. They'll just leave us should Adri decides to leave to, just like some R9 oxygen bandits.

Just interested though Mike, did you became an Inter fan because of Adriano? Or even before he came?

I'm not by any means bad-mouthing Adriano, as hard as you may find that to beleive, but there is only one true symbol of this club, as far as most of us are concerned, and he goes by the name :star:Javier Zanetti:star:

Whomever Inter or the outside media points as our symbol is pointless. An example Mike is, Sheva & Kaka or Van Basten may be the best and most famous player in Milan, but to most Milanisti, their symbol will remain as Maldini or Baresi, in their respective eras.


Handyo

 

[minterke]

Nah, I became an Inter fan back in 2002-2003 because of Vieri mainly. Which is why I still support him to this very day. If I would've become an Interista because of Adriano, then I would be one of the Vieri haters ATM for leaving Adriano who needed him

 

[Tanel]

I think both Adriano and Javier Zanetti are the symbols of our club. One is the symbol of commitment, hard work. He has seen a lot, he has been through a lot. But there's one thing - Inter can still play good even when he's injuried. But Adriano, he symbolizes something else. Adriano of inform has carried us on his shoulders through every obstacle, the whole team has sucked, while he has showed why once he earned a name L'Imperatore. Remember the 2004 year, Inter was piss poor that year, if there would've not been for Adriano, we would've not even played in CL in 2004/2005, if it not would've been for him, we would've taken a very very few points from the first matches of the season then. Adriano suffers, Inter suffers, Adriano great, Inter great. I don't think you can deny that.

I can't imagine Inter without neither one of them.

 

[K.I.]

lol adriano aint the symbol of anything,javier zanetti OFFCOURSE is the symbol of inter.

 

[MoH]

What the **** is Adriano doing in a Recoba thread? (Adriano marketing symbol, hell yeah…Adriano fan idol? Hell NO!!! I do like him though & I hope he stays but he does seem to suffer from some ego issues) Anywhooo…I'm inspired to talk about Recoba, stats wise Recoba! Erm, I was planning on doing every season but seeing how long this took…I’ll save it for later, for the mean time enjoy!!!

Moh’s favorite Recoba season…
2001/2002 Serie A season

18 Appearances 6 goals
Appearances as a Starter 13 (72+90+82+73+67+72+77+80+82+90+90+90+90+90)
Appearances as a Substitue 4 (18+18+53+18)
Total playing time 1252
Goals scored as a Starter 5
Goals scored as a Substitute 1
Goal per minute ratio 208 (Every 2.3 games)

Moh’s least favorite Recoba season…
2001/2002 Serie A season

13 Appearances 3 goals
Appearances as a Starter 4 (85+65+90+90)
Appearances Substitue 9 (9+15+25+25+3+22+13+17+30)
Total playing time 489
Goals scored as a Starter 1
Goals scored as a Substitute 2
Goal per minute ratio 163 (Every 1.8 game)


Recoba’s forward partners over the years (Damn, that title doesn’t sound right :dielaugh

Recoba---Ronaldo (3 goals)
Recoba---Zamorano (6 goals)
Recoba---Mutu (1 goal)
Recoba---Hakan Sukur (7 goals)
Recoba---Vieri (11 goals)
Recoba---Crespo (3 goals)
Recoba---Martins (1 goal)
Recoba---Batistuta (2 goals)
Recoba---Cruz---Martins (1 goal, Zac era)
Recoba---Martins---Van der Meyde (1 goal)
Recoba---Adriano---Stankovic (1 goal)
Recoba---Adriano (8 goals)
Recoba---Cruz (1 goal)

Recoba’s midfield partners over the years (P.S, he only really started playing on the left was during the drama filled Cuper era 2002)

Guly---Di Biagio---C. Zanetti---Recoba (1 goal)
Recoba---Seedorf---C. Zanetti---Guly (2 goals)
Seedorf---Di Biagio---C. Zanetti---Recoba (1 goal)
Conceicao---Almeyda---Emre---Recoba (1 goal)
Helveg---C. Zanetti---Stankovic---Recoba (1 goal)
Stankovic---Cambiasso---Veron---Recoba (1 goal)

Recoba's Serie A targets

Perugia 4
Chievo 1
Brescia 2
Empoli 3
Parma 1
Modena 2 
Lecce 5
Udinese 1
Fiorentina 2
Verona 1
Venezia 2
Lazio 2
Atalanta 2
Bari 2
Bologna 1
Reggina 3
Roma 5
Piacenza 2
Como 1
Bologna 2
Siena 2
Sampdoria 1
Ancona 1
Livorno 1
Messina 1

Q - I don’t know where you got those stats from, but I don’t remember seeing Recoba scoring against AC or Juve? :devil:
A - I get most if not all my stats form the datasport archive, very fun read…If you have a few minutes to kill, but yeah Recoba not scoring against Gobbi sucks ***!!! I think we should be asking ourselves is how many opportunities did he get? Four appearances against AC Milan (1 as a substitute) as for Juventus, 6 appearances with 3 as a substitute (P.S He did score against Juve in Serie A back when he was at Venezia) Theoretically speaking that’s a very low figure, especially when you judge how many years Recoba spent with the Nerrazurri…10 freaking seasons!!! (Yes I’m including this season) 4 derby games per season, 4 x 9 = 36 ***** games!!!

Q – Hey, all of a sudden I like Recoba…
A – You just made my day, but generally speaking I know what you mean Most seem to forget Recoba was one of our finest forwards way before Ronaldo and Vieri arrived, but disappointingly the arrival of such big names has pushed him out and unlucky for him a trickster forward was asked to play a winger when the LM crisis started, at that time Recoba was a fan favorite (Don’t blame Moratti for liking him, when he exploded at Venezia most of the faithful were excited) so he had to be used no matter what! He can go past players but that’s it…He rarely delivers killer balls or even defends, but yeah most of the people blame him for not showing his potential, personally I think we’ve seen both the good and bad when it comes to Recoba…He’s got nothing to prove as far as I’m concerned, 52 serie A goals in 163 games (A goal every 3 games) and 71 goals so far, I just hope he reaches the magic 100! People seem to mistake him for a player that he isn’t, he’s not a playmaker or a winger, he’s always been a ******* forward…Damn, that’s a long paragraph. I’ll just end it with a sad fact, with the imminent arrival of another big name forward expect Recoba to have another frustrating season on the bench.

Q – I like this shit!
A – So do I, I plan on doing Cruz vs. Recoba vs. Adriano vs. Martins, to see who really was the best forward this season and who really bombed in Serie A I’m also keen to do a whole post devoted to Recoba’s performances over the past years, but I’m such a lazy bum So come on all you losers with free time, post this stuff!!! (Bring back the No lifer award!!! :star: )

 

[K.I.]

To be honest i personally would start recoba to adriano/new striker,this is if adriano leaves but his injuries in the recent years always hold him back so it seems like it will be more like this if his injuries continue:-

Adriano/Or another striker
New Striker
Cruz(2nd Substitute)
Recoba(3rd Sbustitute)

+Martins if he doesnt get sold