Hakan Çalhanoğlu

_OC_ said:

2 months on, and this doesn't look quite bad for the "total football ignoramus".
We all pretty much thought the season would implode with Brozo out, but now Hakan has 2 goals and 4 assists in 1172 minutes and an average league rating of 7.09 as a deep laying playmaker, and was down-right instrumental in pulling us out of the slump. Eriksen has 5 assists, 2 of them in Europa League, zero goals, and a league rating of 6.53 in 1204 minutes.


Kudos to Hakan - I didn't think he had it in him, but he's been absolutely integral to us. No way a step down to Eriksen, in any case.

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Some people dont have life aint they
Did Hakan play Brozo position when we were arguing this? No.
Was he inconsistent then? Yes
Is he better player than Eriksen? Nope.
Bye bye

so childish debate hahahaha

Hakan is better for us than what Eriksen did here. I know, different coaches and different styles but he proves me completely wrong, because I was one of the people who thought that Hakan is downgrade in our midfield.

varmin said:

Hakan is better for us than what Eriksen did here. I know, different coaches and different styles but he proves me completely wrong, because I was one of the people who thought that Hakan is downgrade in our midfield.

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What has really surprised me with Hakan is his work rate as Milanisti always portrayed him as a lazy player. The issue with Hakan is he is inconsistent. At least as a mezzala. Hopefully he can be more consistent as a regista.

I agree that Hakan is much better in this new position and lets see what happens when Brozo returns. But comparing stats of one player that plays in Premier league with another that plays in Seria A.. Cmon man, you cant be serious, or maybe you think Seria A is again strongest league in the world? Or comparing both players stats while playing under Conte or Limone, totally different stuff.. Ridiculous.

Hakan is a better player for Inter than Eriksen was. I don't care about Eriksen's reputation outside of Inter.

If Eriksen was so superior player for Serie A standards he should've pulling up trees for Inter which he never did. He was a good player but that's it. Good intelligent passes that were bringing the game forward were his forte. I'll give it to Eriksen that he's a more stable player in the sense of consistency i.e. you know what you expect of him and was less prone to mistakes than Hakan in terms of passing. Hakan has the odd blunder in him.

On the flipside Eriksen played it safe most of the time (not necessarily a bad thing, it's just a fact) while Hakan delivers some good long balls and progressive passes on a regular basis.

On the other hand Eriksen avoided tackles as if football is not a physical sport. His corners were regularly ending up on the first opponent's defenders' heads. Rarely scored or assisted.

Hakan's numbers for Inter mog Eriksen's in every department of the game and I'd say the eye test favour Hakan's game as well.

As of recently we can add in Hakan's favour that he is good in both the lcm position and as a regista while Eriksen could only be a lcm for us despite being tried in many different roles that didn't work for us.

You forget the crucial factor. Eriksen played under rigid Conte system, not fluid attacking Limoneball. My first post and point was about Eriksen who would perfectly fit into Limone's Inter, based on his legendary status in PL, his performances in second half of scudetto season, his balling currently in PL and the way Limone teams play. Unfortunately we wont see that. But comparing Hakan to Eriksen is ridiculous. Its like comparing Eriksen to Modrić. Its way way to go for Hakan to achieve Eriksen status as baller. One day he can be, maybe even he surpass Eriksen, and definitely he has more chance for that than Eriksen surpassing Modrić for instance. But right now we have Hakan who is very good player, one of the best midfielders in Seria A, but he is not still world class. Until that you cant just throw some Seria A stats to prove that he is better player than Eriksen right now. I hope Hakan become world class, of course while playing at Inter.

The disrespect to LGI Eriksen.

Eriksen in Contes system helped deliver a scudetto, all while being relegated to the bench for periods of time for no reason and again getting subbed off for no reason. Until Hakan does something similar u can say he is a better player till the sky turns green it wont matter. Its the same argument people are having with him against Brozo, who again was an integral part in a scudetto.

bubba zanetti said:

You forget the crucial factor. Eriksen played under rigid Conte system, not fluid attacking Limoneball.

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Conte's rigid football produced over 200 goals for us in total. Rigid, yes, was it effective, also yes.

bubba zanetti said:

My first post and point was about Eriksen who would perfectly fit into Limone's Inter, based on his legendary status in PL, his performances in second half of scudetto season, his balling currently in PL and the way Limone teams play. Unfortunately we wont see that.

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I agree. Sadly we don't know how would Eriksen look in Simone's Inter. That's why I base his and Hakan's performances solely on what they did for us in their respective time here.

Let's for the sake of argument see the broader picture if Eriksen's reputation outside of Inter is legendary.

Is he a legendary Premier League player? I think multiple title winning players, team carriers are league legends. Henry, Rooney, Ronaldo, Drogba are legendary players there.

Eriksen never carried Tottenham by himself but he was a part of a very good team that came close but never made it. It happens. But why is he a league legend exactly? He might be a Tottenham legend at best.

bubba zanetti said:

But comparing Hakan to Eriksen is ridiculous. Its like comparing Eriksen to Modrić. Its way way to go for Hakan to achieve Eriksen status as baller. One day he can be, maybe even he surpass Eriksen, and definitely he has more chance for that than Eriksen surpassing Modrić for instance. But right now we have Hakan who is very good player, one of the best midfielders in Seria A, but he is not still world class. Until that you cant just throw some Seria A stats to prove that he is better player than Eriksen right now. I hope Hakan become world class, of course while playing at Inter.

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To an extent I agree. Hakan is not considered as a player that has a better football career overall than Eriksen.

Hakan has a better football career than Eriksen as an Inter player. We can speculate how would Eriksen look under Simone and it's a shame we won't know but we can't say for a fact that he'd be better than Hakan. The existing evidence is in favour of Hakan as a better Inter player.

Glass box said:

Conte's rigid football produced over 200 goals for us in total. Rigid, yes, was it effective, also yes.

I agree. Sadly we don't know how would Eriksen look in Simone's Inter. That's why I base his and Hakan's performances solely on what they did for us in their respective time here.

Let's for the sake of argument see the broader picture if Eriksen's reputation outside of Inter is legendary.

Is he a legendary Premier League player? I think multiple title winning players, team carriers are league legends. Henry, Rooney, Ronaldo, Drogba are legendary players there.

Eriksen never carried Tottenham by himself but he was a part of a very good team that came close but never made it. It happens. But why is he a league legend exactly? He might be a Tottenham legend at best.

To an extent I agree. Hakan is not considered as a player that has a better football career overall than Eriksen.

Hakan has a better football career than Eriksen as an Inter player. We can speculate how would Eriksen look under Simone and it's a shame we won't know but we can't say for a fact that he'd be better than Hakan. The existing evidence is in favour of Hakan as a better Inter player.

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But who is better player overall?
For me Hakan is still nowhere Eriksen.
Eriksen is one of the best midfielders in PL. Fkn stats proves that. Goals, assists, awards etc..
Better Inter player you say? Eriksen won scudetto with Inter, Hakan didnt.

bubba zanetti said:

But who is better player overall?
For me Hakan is still nowhere Eriksen.
Eriksen is one of the best midfielders in PL. Fkn stats proves that. Goals, assists, awards etc..
Better Inter player you say? Eriksen won scudetto with Inter, Hakan didnt.

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Now, Conte's rigid football is ok when it suits your thesis about Eriksen>Hakan at Inter? He won us the Scudetto.

And btw, why aren't you giving Hakan the same hypothetical advantage you give Eriksen?

"If Eriksen played under Limone..."

What if Calha played under Conte instead of Eriksen? He might be better and maybe Inter might've been better. But no one talks about that cause it didn't happen. There are only facts. The same should be about Eriksen.

Hakan Calhanoglu:

Karlsruher SC
3. Liga: 2012–13

Inter Milan
Coppa Italia: 2021–22
Supercoppa Italiana: 2021

Individual
Turkish player of year 2021.
3. Liga Player of the Season: 2012–13
Serie A Player of the Month: December 2020
Seria A
Total : App: 180 Goals:30 Assists:50

A set-piece specialist, he is known for scoring from free kicks,and models his set-piece technique on the knuckleball free kicks of Cristiano Ronaldo and especially Juninho Pernambucano. In addition to his ability to score with power and accuracy from direct free kicks with his right foot,he is also known for his ability to bend the ball, and his set-piece delivery.In December 2013, Talksport called him "a playmaker destined for the top", praising his dedication and passing ability.Former England international Owen Hargreaves said on BT Sport in August 2015 that Çalhanoğlu's style of play would fit Liverpool or Tottenham Hotspur.

Despite mostly positive reception in his late teens and early twenties, in recent years, however, he has drawn some criticism as well; his pace was deemed insufficient for a winger, a position he adopted due to absence of his natural classic "number 10" attacking midfield role in the preferred formations of his teams, particularly A.C. Milan. He has also been criticized in the media for his lack of physical attributes and overall inconsistency of his performances. However, his dribbling, technique, passing (both short and long), crossing, and vision, as well as his eye for goal and striking ability from distance, have been referred to as his strengths.Çalhanoğlu has also been used in deeper midfield positions throughout his career, including in a holding role, in which he usually operates as a deep-lying playmaker, as an offensive–minded central midfielder, known as the mezzala role in Italian football jargon, or even in more offensive roles on occasion, as a second striker, for example.

Christian Eriksen:

Ajax
Eredivisie: 2010–11, 2011–12, 2012–13
KNVB Cup: 2009–10
Johan Cruyff Shield: 2013

Tottenham Hotspur
Football League Cup runner-up: 2014–15
UEFA Champions League runner-up: 2018–19

Inter Milan
Serie A: 2020–21
UEFA Europa League runner-up: 2019–20

Individual

Ajax Talent of the Future (Sjaak Swart Award) 2010
Ajax Talent of the Year (Marco van Basten Award): 2011
Danish U-17 Talent of the Year: 2008
Danish Talent of the Year: 2010, 2011
Johan Cruyff Trophy: 2011
Dutch Footballer of the Year Bronze Boot: 2012
Danish Football Player of the Year: 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017, 2018
Danish Football Player of the Year by TV2 and DBU: 2011, 2013, 2014, 2017.

PFA Team of the Year: 2017–18 Premier League
Tottenham Hotspur Player of the Year: 2013–14, 2016–17
UEFA Champions League Midfielder of the Season 2nd place: 2018–19
Premier League Goal of the Month: April 2018
FIFA FIFPro World11 nominee: 2019 (14th midfielder).
Premier League Record
Appearances 248
Goals 52
Assists 69

Described as a "classic number ten" in the media, Eriksen's favoured position is in a free role in the centre of the pitch as an attacking midfielder behind the forwards;however, he is a tactically versatile player, who is also capable of playing as a central midfielder or mezzala in a 4–3–3 system (as was the case during his first years with Ajax), and as a right winger in a 4–2–3–1 formation.He has also been used on the left flank on occasion, or as a second striker.

Possessing significant vision, passing range, crossing accuracy, set-piece delivery, creativity, technical skills, movement, and an ability to read the game, as well as good balance and co-ordination, Eriksen is highly regarded by pundits for his ability to orchestrate attacking moves for his team with his distribution, create or exploit spaces with his runs, and provide assists to his teammates; his range of skills make him an effective playmaker and creator of chances. In addition to his talent, he is also known for his work-rate and intelligence on the pitch.He is also known for his eye for goal from midfield, and for his ability to strike the ball with power and accuracy with either foot, despite being naturally right-footed, in particular from distance;moreover, he has also established himself as a free kick specialist.


This shouldnt be even a debate. For now. I'll leave you there. Like I said, way to go Hakan, way to go, let us make proud

Plus the guy survived fkn heart attack and returned to play football on top level, still delivering in best league in world.

Glass box said:

Now, Conte's rigid football is ok when it suits your thesis about Eriksen>Hakan at Inter? He won us the Scudetto.

And btw, why aren't you giving Hakan the same hypothetical advantage you give Eriksen?

"If Eriksen played under Limone..."

What if Calha played under Conte instead of Eriksen? He might be better and maybe Inter might've been better. But no one talks about that cause it didn't happen. There are only facts. The same should be about Eriksen.

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How would it be better when one won the scudetto and the other came close but didnt? Didnt these things happen?

K.I. said:

How would it be better when one won the scudetto and the other came close but didnt? Didnt these things happen?

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Gagliardini had a gooood amount of minutes when we won the Scudetto. We won many points with him on the field, as well. Is he also better than Hakan? After all, during the time he occupied Hakan's position.

Cruz won many trophies with us and even though I like him I can't say he contributed more for us than Vieri did. Vieri won only one Coppa. It is what it is.

Many mediocre players won a lot of titles. I'm not saying Eriksen is a mediocre player. I'm just saying that Hakan's contribution for Inter is bigger than Eriksen's. I don't care what Eriksen achieved elsewhere. That's all.

K.I. said:

How would it be better when one won the scudetto and the other came close but didnt? Didnt these things happen?

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This is not tennis. Muntari won a treble and couple of scudettos. Does this means that he is a better player than SMS or De Rossi or prime Nainggolan for instance? Based on trophies won?
Or maybe you meant that we would have won the title with Eriksen instead of Hakan?

So now you saying that Eriksen was not important player in our scudetto win? That he was impactfull as was Gags? Or fkn Muntari? Cmon, you can do better than that. When Conte finally installed Eriksen in first 11,along with Perisic, our rise begun. Yea, people easy forget that and keep just mentioning Conte, Lukaku and Hakimi when we talk about scudetto 2021.

Glass box said:

Gagliardini had a gooood amount of minutes when we won the Scudetto. We won many points with him on the field, as well. Is he also better than Hakan? After all, during the time he occupied Hakan's position.

Cruz won many trophies with us and even though I like him I can't say he contributed more for us than Vieri did. Vieri won only one Coppa. It is what it is.

Many mediocre players won a lot of titles. I'm not saying Eriksen is a mediocre player. I'm just saying that Hakan's contribution for Inter is bigger than Eriksen's. I don't care what Eriksen achieved elsewhere. That's all.

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Eriksens and Perisic where an integral part to why Inter won the scudetto, but people are taking about #5 and Muntari....yah im good.

When Hakans contribution lead to a scudetto or a CL he will have done more for Inter than Eriksen. Also ur taking about players getting minutes during a run im not taking about that.

I dont get why people want to dismiss a player if they are praising the other? Hakan in my opinion if he can stay consistent can become one of the best midfielders in the world but he dropped the ball like most of the team in the second half of last season, they let a trash Milan side win the title. I still think he an do well this year and the rest of his Inter career but until that translates into a title its still to be seen.

You want to say individually he is a better player for Inter than Erisken was thats ur opinion. U can have that, but when the argument turns to brining in Muntari in the disussion. Do People remember the cl exit? how in 5 min eriksen did more than the whole team including conte did for 87 mins?

bubba zanetti said:

So now you saying that Eriksen was not important player in our scudetto win? That he was impactfull as was Gags? Or fkn Muntari? Cmon, you can do better than that. When Conte finally installed Eriksen in first 11,along with Perisic, our rise begun. Yea, people easy forget that and keep just mentioning Conte, Lukaku and Hakimi when we talk about scudetto 2021.

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Eriksen was important only in the second half of the season, but he wasn't the sole reason of winning of the scudetto. If you swap him with Hakan or another decent midfielder, the result would be the same.
Hakan was one of the reasons why we won the Coppa, Super Coppa and finished 1 point behind Milan, despite the loss of Conte, Lukaku, Hakimi and Eriksen. If Eriksen didn't have any heath issues and stayed, I'm not convinced that we would have won the scudetto.
And yes, Conte, Lukaku and Hakimi's title contribution is much bigger than Eriksen's.