Samir Handanovic

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Who do you want the captain to be now? Skriniar, who Marotta has been trying to sell for 3 years?
You still keep shifting the blame to Spalletti, yes he has his portion of blame to bear, but, Icardi started his antics long before he got the armband stripped off. Beefing with CN, neverending contract negotiations, release of the provocative autobiography, Wanda tikitaka show, and so on...

I don't know the atmosphere in the locker room. I can only tell based on what I see on the screen, sitting here on my sofa. Just like how I judge the Icardi chaos. So, in my opinion Barella would be the best candidate. His impact on course of the game is immense. He is reactive, responsive, never looks indifferent. Always runs out of his skin throughout the whole match. Yes he can sometimes overreact and receive a red card, but he is not a stupid guy to do that every week. With captaincy he will probably slow down and act more cold-blooded. He is a family guy, you won't expect any off the pitch antics from him. Die hard interista, Italian. What else do you want, I think he is ideal.
 

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It's time for Onana to show up. Handa is not a rookie to learn from his mistakes. His career is over.
 

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we need better defense system to fix before talking about handicapovic (bastoni-de vrij-skiriniar looked so easy to got dribble past)
 

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He is too coward to be a captain. Give the armband to someone with balls and continue playing as a GK only, I don't care. When players need a moral boost he keeps conceding easy goals.
Listen to some of the comments from the players before you start talking bullshit. Everytime a player was asked about Handa, they always say hes a leader, especially in the locker room. Marotta, Conte and Inzaghi also said so, i think no player would agree with you.
 

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Listen to some of the comments from the players before you start talking bullshit. Everytime a player was asked about Handa, they always say hes a leader, especially in the locker room. Marotta, Conte and Inzaghi also said so, i think no player would agree with you.
You are so naive to think players would talk shit about their teammates in media?
 

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You still keep shifting the blame to Spalletti, yes he has his portion of blame to bear, but, Icardi started his antics long before he got the armband stripped off. Beefing with CN, neverending contract negotiations, release of the provocative autobiography, Wanda tikitaka show, and so on...

- Curva Nord beef had ended like 2 years prior.
- Stupid autobiography was like 4 years prior.
- Wanda appearing on that show was an idiotic decision, but the only thing it did was make relationship with Perisic bad. The club actually tried to sell Perisic at the time but Marotta didn't like Arsenal's bid because he wanted to milk them 3-5m more (loan + option at 40m iirc, he wanted 45). So obviously before the captaincy stripping, which I repeat happened after a victory, the club believed that Icardi was to be kept and Perisic to be sold. A certain Perisic that refused to play in a knockout game versus Lazio that Icardi won us via PKs in the last minute and the process btw, which was the only goal we had at the time for silverware.
- Contract negotiations were a genuine issue. We had promised him a new contract by December and we did not deliver. Marotta froze the negotiations, something he has done to players recently as well, despite agreeing to pull the trigger. De Vrij recently, Brozovic (then Zhang made it even worse), Skriniar, Perisic and a lot of other of our high profile players have suffered from this behavior.

You know how many contracts Icardi has signed with us?
His first one, which was 950k per year.
His second one, which was two years later, at 3.5m, which was our cap with Kondogbia and Jovetic making as much.
His third one, again two years later, at 4.5m, as much as Nainggolan was also earning when he arrived a year after.
And he signed one last one with us, officially yet technically it was PSG's deal to go along with the loan+option.

The top players in the league were earning 6m or more. He was a top 10 player at the time and made something like a Top 25 salary. Even Napoli was paying Insigne better and Koulibaly was earning significantly more iirc.


You know how many contracts Skriniar has signed with us?

His first one (2017), at 1.2m per year with some small increases for the second year.
His second one (2019), at 3m per year. Two years after his initial deal, with 3 years remaining.

And he's been asking for a renewal since last season and we stalled negotiations, then broke them, then tried to sell him over three windows and now we're supposed to offer him the new deal after all. If he accepts, that is. Is Skriniar a bad person for wanting more? Is he paid adequately at 3m relative to his peers?


I'm highlighting this not because I want to ignite old arguments, but because there seems to be a lot of double standards going around due to baseless preference.

It's like Handanovic. The real Handanovic is a worse goalkeeper than the fantasy Onana. Just like the fantasy Radu was a better option for some last season until he made a blunder that probably cost us the league. Or like the fantasy Padelli was a better option until he conceded 90% of the shots that came our way.

For some reason, both Icardi and Handanovic have scarred a lot of our fans and they don't like seeing them. I guess it's probably because they were the only players worth to keep from the 2013-2015 period and it reminded these people of that era.


Why don't we dislike Skriniar for asking for a new contract? Because his wife isn't a telenovela whore that we don't appreciate? How's that relevant to how valuable he is to the team?

Getting an extension after 2 good seasons is the expected outcome in this sport the way it is structured nowadays. Unless you're paid premium from the get-go. Which we do not. We only did that with Lukaku and Eriksen.


I don't know the atmosphere in the locker room. I can only tell based on what I see on the screen, sitting here on my sofa. Just like how I judge the Icardi chaos. So, in my opinion Barella would be the best candidate. His impact on course of the game is immense. He is reactive, responsive, never looks indifferent. Always runs out of his skin throughout the whole match. Yes he can sometimes overreact and receive a red card, but he is not a stupid guy to do that every week. With captaincy he will probably slow down and act more cold-blooded. He is a family guy, you won't expect any off the pitch antics from him. Die hard interista, Italian. What else do you want, I think he is ideal.

Well, it should be between Barella and Skriniar, but after that there's a bit of a chaos. Also, how would Brozovic react if he's surpassed from the selection, since Italian teams tend to give the armband to the player that's been around the most and he's currently #2 behind Handanovic. Wouldn't that create a mess if Brozovic wants to be captain?
 
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It's time for mister Olddanovic to sit on the bench.
 

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@brehme1989 :

- Is Skriniar a bad person for wanting more? Is he paid adequately at 3m relative to his peers?
- No. Neither is Icardi. But the problem was, he would first agree to sign contract, but then would change his mind several times. Also, he was asking for like 7m or even more, I don't remember exactly, but then went to PSG who paid him less than that. So maybe he was asking from Inter more than he should?

- Wouldn't that create a mess if Brozovic wants to be captain?
- I feel like Brozo is not that person who would want to be a captain. He loves clowning around, he is a nice guy, I love him and don't mind him to wear the armband. But if I had to choose, it would be Barella for me. Offering the captaincy to Skriniar now, after all that mercato would be hypocritical and ridiculous.

Re Handa: I don’t hate him. I like him very much and as one of the members already mentioned, I don’t want him to ruin his legacy by underperforming. Also when I say "he is a coward" I say it exclusively in football terms. He is too risk-averse, that standwatching is really discouraging. Onana is a serious GK, he was phenomenal at Ajax. If we rott him on the bench, we might kill his confidence too.
 
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@brehme1989 :

- Is Skriniar a bad person for wanting more? Is he paid adequately at 3m relative to his peers?
- No. Neither is Icardi. But the problem was, he would first agree to sign contract, but then would change his mind several times. Also, he was asking for like 7m or even more, but then went to PSG who paid him even less. So probably he was asking from Inter more than he should.

No idea where you're getting that from... It's simply untrue.

- Wouldn't that create a mess if Brozovic wants to be captain?
- I feel like Brozo is not that person who would want to be a captain. He loves clowning around, he is a nice guy, I love him and don't mind him to wear the armband. But if I had to choose, it would be Barella for me.

What if he is and what if it means he'll revolt if he's not captain? What if we can only sell him for like 30m because he's older now and doesn't want to be at the club and we cannot afford a proper replacement? Would you blame Brozovic for that?

Re Handa: I don’t hate him. I like him very much and as one of the members already mentioned, I don’t want him to ruin his legacy by underperforming. Also when I say "he is a coward" I say it exclusively in football terms. He is too risk-averse, that standwatching is really discouraging. Onana is a serious GK, he was phenomenal at Ajax. If we rott him on the bench, we might kill his confidence too.

The "standwatching" is a very common thing in goalkeepers. You highlight it when Handanovic does it but how about when opposition keepers concede that way? Scorer is someone you like "amazing goal", scorer is someone you don't care much about, you still don't say that the GK was... "just standing there". You only do that with Handanovic. I could give you 50 such goals conceded from Julio Cesar (fan favorite here despite the major fuckups), Buffon, Casillas, Cech, Courtois, Alisson and several other top GKs.

Onana is not a serious GK. He's what they call an 'eccentric' GK, which is the opposite of a serious GK. He was not phenomenal at Ajax but he had his moments at big times.
He's to blame they missed out on the CL final that time if you want to nitpick. And I'm sure if Handanovic conceded the two goals he conceded in the EL final you'd be breaking your keyboards... And that was one of his good games that season!

His confidence would have been shattered from being an understudy at Ajax in his final months there. I don't think he's affected that much thus far, he knows he needs to learn the tactics and the language.

There's a reason why Onana is not playing, at least yet. Aren't you part of the group that wanted Radu to start games last season because "how much worse can he be"? Might be confusing you with someone else, but I think you were saying something along those lines as well.

The only reason you do this is because you only care about the goals conceded. If it's conceding, you need to blame it on someone. Goals are scored, this is how the game is played. The goalkeeper is not there to stop every shot coming in. He's there to prevent easy goals. As a top team, you seek as many extras to that as possible. And Handanovic still possesses most of those extras at his advanced age. He's still a top 15 goalkeeper out there.
 

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No idea where you're getting that from... It's simply untrue.
According to a report from FCInterNews.it, Icardi has requested an annual base salary of €8 million and a further €2 million in bonuses taking his total annual salary up to the €10 million mark, over double what he current earns.

Inter have meanwhile offered their talisman a €5.6 million base salary and a further €900,000 in bonuses for a total salary worth €6.5 million.

The salaries of the Paris Saint Germain squad have been examined and compared in today’s paper edition of French daily newspaper L’Equipe, including the contract details of Mauro Icardi.
As per the report, Icardi is currently pocketing €800,000 gross per month, for a total net salary of €5.7 million for the season – a sum that would increase should PSG sign him up permanently. https://sempreinter.com/2019/10/11/inter-owned-mauro-icardi-is-psgs-7th-highest-earning-player/


What if he is and what if it means he'll revolt if he's not captain? What if we can only sell him for like 30m because he's older now and doesn't want to be at the club and we cannot afford a proper replacement? Would you blame Brozovic for that?
I would be surprised if he revolts. MU has Maguire as captain, why didn't de Gea revolt?


The "standwatching" is a very common thing in goalkeepers. You highlight it when Handanovic does it but how about when opposition keepers concede that way? Scorer is someone you like "amazing goal", scorer is someone you don't care much about, you still don't say that the GK was... "just standing there". You only do that with Handanovic. I could give you 50 such goals conceded from Julio Cesar (fan favorite here despite the major fuckups), Buffon, Casillas, Cech, Courtois, Alisson and several other top GKs.
Agree, any goalkeeper in the world has standwatched at least once in their careers, but Samir does it too often. Also, just as a side note, Julio Caesar is a lot better GK than Handanovic ever was, ever could become.

His confidence would have been shattered from being an understudy at Ajax in his final months there. I don't think he's affected that much thus far, he knows he needs to learn the tactics and the language.
We will see

There's a reason why Onana is not playing, at least yet. Aren't you part of the group that wanted Radu to start games last season because "how much worse can he be"? Might be confusing you with someone else, but I think you were saying something along those lines as well.
I didn't closely follow Inter last season when that winter collapse began and didn't fif for like half a year, so you are probably confusing me. I don't remember I rated Radu as high as selecting him over Handa.

He's still a top 15 goalkeeper out there.
if you ask a random non-serie A football fan, there is a big chance they don't know who is Inter's GK.
 

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According to a report from FCInterNews.it, Icardi has requested an annual base salary of €8 million and a further €2 million in bonuses taking his total annual salary up to the €10 million mark, over double what he current earns.

Inter have meanwhile offered their talisman a €5.6 million base salary and a further €900,000 in bonuses for a total salary worth €6.5 million.

The salaries of the Paris Saint Germain squad have been examined and compared in today’s paper edition of French daily newspaper L’Equipe, including the contract details of Mauro Icardi.
As per the report, Icardi is currently pocketing €800,000 gross per month, for a total net salary of €5.7 million for the season – a sum that would increase should PSG sign him up permanently. https://sempreinter.com/2019/10/11/inter-owned-mauro-icardi-is-psgs-7th-highest-earning-player/

So one blog reports something and we take it as gospel?

That's also a separate issue. You said he agreed and then wanted more, even that blog post simply says there's a distance between the two parties.


The Wanda request was for 8m net with the removal of the clause.

Our management wanted to include the clause and raise it to 120m but wouldn't go over 6.5m net, with some add ons.

They agreed on principle, can't tell where it was between 7 and 8, but then Marotta backtracked and wanted to see what would happen with Perisic and Spalletti before getting that done.

If we failed to beat Lazio in the cup, Marotta had the approval of Suning to fire Spalletti and he had agreed with Conte verbally to hire him, with the promise that the first season wouldn't be evaluated and that CL participation wasn't mandatory, ie a top 4 finish.
We beat Lazio in a thriller, with Icardi's help and that saved Spalletti's job for a while. For like 2 weeks or so, then the captaincy thing happened and management sided with Spalletti on that one. The contract had nothing to do with it, it was a disciplinary action. Marotta is old school and believes the coach picks the captain and is free to change him.

Maybe we ended up with the better deal there but we'll never know. We'd try to land Milinkovic-Savic the following summer instead of Lukaku. He was actually cheaper. Marotta wanted to sell Nainggolan, Icardi and Perisic to make the funds for both but he failed miserably since he devalued the two main players himself and Perisic didn't want to play for Conte and left for peanuts that we never received (while I remind you that Marotta rejected a potential 40m offer via option a few months earlier).

I would be surprised if he revolts. MU has Maguire as captain, why didn't de Gea revolt?

Because Manchester United typically gives the armband to a British player.
It's a different club, I don't see why it's relevant.

Agree, any goalkeeper in the world has standwatched at least once in their careers, but Samir does it too often. Also, just as a side note, Julio Caesar is a lot better GK than Handanovic ever was, ever could become.

I used a number a lot higher than once.
Disagree on the Julio Cesar remark.

I think there's a tendency to hype players who express themselves (ie extroverted behavior) over others that do not.

Guys who are very expressive tend to be appreciated more (and only a small part of the members here for example are disliking some of these gestures). That's Lukaku for example from the current team, or Julio Cesar from the other example. Or someone like Obafemi Martins.

Whereas guys like Zanetti, Cambiasso, Cruz, Handanovic, Perisic, Icardi, Eriksen etc were typically not highly appreciated by a significant number of Inter fans which was surprising.

I'm led to believe that it's a character interpretation thing as extroverts can be turned off by or biased against introverts no matter what, whereas the opposite isn't really true unless it's on a personal level.

We will see
We may see :D

I didn't closely follow Inter last season when that winter collapse began and didn't fif for like half a year, so you are probably confusing me. I don't remember I rated Radu as high as selecting him over Handa.

Forget about it, must have been someone with a similar avatar.

if you ask a random non-serie A football fan, there is a big chance they don't know who is Inter's GK.

I don't want to ask questions to ignorant people unless I'll use those answers in a social experiment.
 

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So one blog reports something and we take it as gospel?

That's also a separate issue. You said he agreed and then wanted more, even that blog post simply says there's a distance between the two parties.
I gave you links to prove he was asking for more salary than he should be. He asked for 10M total from Inter, but when joined PSG he agreed to almost the same salary as he was earning at Inter. Before that captaincy removal, he had been leading Inter by the nose "I will sign, then a couple of weeks later I will not sign". He used Wanda as his protection, while he could have simply solved the issue by himself. Ask Skriniar in this regard.

If we failed to beat Lazio in the cup, Marotta had the approval of Suning to fire Spalletti and he had agreed with Conte verbally to hire him, with the promise that the first season wouldn't be evaluated and that CL participation wasn't mandatory, ie a top 4 finish.
We beat Lazio in a thriller, with Icardi's help and that saved Spalletti's job for a while. For like 2 weeks or so, then the captaincy thing happened and management sided with Spalletti on that one. The contract had nothing to do with it, it was a disciplinary action. Marotta is old school and believes the coach picks the captain and is free to change him.
We beat Lazio a season prior, you are confusing. That season when we took the armband from him we earned our spot in the top 4 by beating Empoli in the last week thanks to Balde and Radja's efforts. Mind you, Icardi didn't score a penalty.


Because Manchester United typically gives the armband to a British player.
It's a different club, I don't see why it's relevant.
Cantona, Vidic, Valencia??
It's relevant in a sense that De Gea had more aps for MU than Maguire, yet he wasn't given the armband and he didn't make a fuss out of it. I would expect the same response from Brozo, that was my point.
 

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Handa is currently sat on a save percentage of 57.9% this season.

He’s let in 8/19 shots on target, or 42.1% of all shots on target.
 

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Have you guy watched anything this season apart from Handa? I'm not saying Onana should not be given a shot, but blaming Handa for our current state is just scapegoating.
skriniar, bastoni and de vrij have been 10X bigger problem than Handa, but if you look online its as if only Handa is making mistakes.... Like i said before, i really hope he gets benched, so that we can see who the next scapegoat will be.
 

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We beat Lazio a season prior, you are confusing. That season when we took the armband from him we earned our spot in the top 4 by beating Empoli in the last week thanks to Balde and Radja's efforts. Mind you, Icardi didn't score a penalty.

January 2019, Coppa game.

It feels like you're not reading anything I said here because I was explicit about that being a couple of weeks before the captaincy thing and Perisic didn't want to play because he wanted to move to Arsenal the next day.

Manchester United stuff is not relevant here. De Gea goes to Spain like twice a week, they know he's not really serious about being at Manchester and that he's just a useful mercenary for them.

Our players actually live in Milano and generally within the region of our facilities.
Manchester United players take off to London or other places in Europe very frequently despite having to be at Manchester for training every day. At least they should.
 

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If we failed to beat Lazio in the cup, Marotta had the approval of Suning to fire Spalletti and he had agreed with Conte verbally to hire him, with the promise that the first season wouldn't be evaluated and that CL participation wasn't mandatory, ie a top 4 finish.
We beat Lazio in a thriller, with Icardi's help and that saved Spalletti's job for a while. For like 2 weeks or so, then the captaincy thing happened and management sided with Spalletti on that one.
We did fail to beat Lazio in the Cup.

The thriller in which we beat Lazio was the last game of the season that qualified us for the CL - it was not a Cup game.
 
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